From trainbee at aol.com  Thu Jun  2 17:20:19 2016
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 17:20:19 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Fwd: [NEARC_Radio] Grille Cloth [1 Attachment]
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 Can anyone help identify this grille cloth?

Thank you.
Joe Devonshire

 

 

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Subject: [NEARC_Radio] Grille Cloth [1 Attachment]



  
    
                  


Acquired this length of grille cloth over 25 years ago from a woman whose husband opened a radio repair shop circa 1928.  The cloth is original and appears to be silk.  Unable to associate the design with a particular make/model antique radio.  Measures approximately 36 x 24 inches.  Can anyone identify this grille cloth? 






    
             
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From trainbee at aol.com  Tue Jun  7 15:18:30 2016
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Subject: [NJARC] Fwd: [NEARC_Radio] Help with WWII Aircraft Bombing
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 Can anyone help Bruce?

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Subject: [NEARC_Radio] Help with WWII Aircraft Bombing Instrumentation [9 Attachments]



  
    
                  

Does anyone in the group know anything about WWII Aircraft Bombing Instrumentation, or know someone who does?
Attached are pictures of 3 pieces.
The smallest on the left is a Sperry Gyroscope with servo tuning.
Appears to have something missing in the center of the Gyro
The center piece is a Galvin Receiver- Trans RT39/APG-5Radar Gun Turret Receiver
The right piece is a Bombing computer MK20 mod 2 CP-15A/ASG-10 (for Bomb Director MK-1)
Any insights, values, or contacts to someone who might know these would be appreciated.
Email or call 603 772 7516
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From radiorich at prodigy.net  Tue Jun  7 21:38:59 2016
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Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 01:38:59 +0000 (UTC)
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Greetings Fellow Enthusiasts!? Just a reminder that the NJARC June 10th meeting will be held this Friday, at Bowen Hall, Princeton U. The agenda includes talks by V.P. Sal Brisindi...all you want to know about capacitor nomenclature.... and webmaster Dave Sica speaking on a resent break-through in CRT rebuilding...a small auction will follow.? See you all there!? Richard Lee., Pres. NJARC
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From a.b.magoun at ieee.org  Wed Jun  8 12:18:21 2016
From: a.b.magoun at ieee.org (Alex Magoun)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:18:21 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] ICYMI Vacuum tubes are the new transistors
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Research at Cal Tech suggests that vacuum tubes--really, really small
vacuum tubes--may solve the growing logjam as Moore's Law approaches
absolute limits:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/06/technology/smaller-chips-may-depend-on-technology-from-grandmas-radio.html?_r=0
.

Alex
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From dave.sica at njarc.org  Wed Jun  8 12:27:46 2016
From: dave.sica at njarc.org (David Sica)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:27:46 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] The Ballad of Reginald Fessenden
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No matter on which side of the Fessenden or Sarnoff (or Marconi/Tesla)
controversies you stand, you'll probably enjoy this song:

https://soundcloud.com/parkranger777/01-track-01

(Found via Facebook)

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Wed Jun  8 13:41:49 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:41:49 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] ICYMI Vacuum tubes are the new transistors
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It has been my understanding that Moore's law has already been exceeded by
using 3 dimensions. - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
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Howell, NJ, 07731
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Thu Jun  9 14:55:01 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:55:01 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] June 10th Meeting  at Princeton
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Does anyone know what a good equivalent replacement transistor would be for a ?Bendix 660032?? 
It?s one of those metal quarter-size transistors - circa 1973.
I?m working on a KX-60 Allied Knight kit - 50 watt solid-state stereo amplifier and found two of them (one shorted & one open) in the power supply circuit.
I believe they are being used as rectifiers.
Any info would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
Chuck
AC2DP

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From ark at ar88.net  Fri Jun 10 03:32:13 2016
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 03:32:13 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Chuck,

660032 is probably a house number applied to transistors sold 
specifically to Allied (Knight).  The early Bendix products were likely 
PNP Germanium transistors.

Are they in TO-3 packages similar to this drawing?


Do you have a schematic for the amp?  I couldn't find anything on the 
web.  To repair this thing you'll have to reverse engineer it. Not for 
beginners.  The early solid state amplifiers had all sort of problems, 
and most sounded terrible even when working properly.

Good luck,
Al

Al Klase ? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/

On 6/9/2016 2:55 PM, Chuck wrote:
> Just remember
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> _________________________________________________________
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>
> Does anyone know what a good equivalent replacement transistor would 
> be for a ?Bendix 660032??
> It?s one of those metal quarter-size transistors - circa 1973.
> I?m working on a KX-60 Allied Knight kit - 50 watt solid-state stereo 
> amplifier and found two of them (one shorted & one open) in the power 
> supply circuit.
> I believe they are being used as rectifiers.
> Any info would be much appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Chuck
> AC2DP
> *From:* RICHARD LEE <mailto:radiorich at prodigy.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:38 PM
> *To:* Reflector <mailto:njarc at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* [NJARC] June 10th Meeting at Princeton
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>
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> Greetings Fellow Enthusiasts!  Just a reminder that the NJARC June 
> 10th meeting will be held this Friday, at Bowen Hall, Princeton U. The 
> agenda includes talks by V.P. Sal Brisindi...all you want to know 
> about capacitor nomenclature.... and webmaster Dave Sica speaking on a 
> resent break-through in CRT rebuilding...a small auction will follow.  
> See you all there!  Richard Lee., Pres. NJARC
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 04:40:25 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 04:40:25 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Hi Al,
You are right --- they are PNPs.
I do have the schematic. I attached it...
And they are in TO-3 packages exactly like your drawing.
I can see how it' is wired, but I never saw a transistor used as a rectifier before.

Thanks for your help Al.

73,
Chuck


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To: njarc at mailman.qth.net 
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Chuck,

660032 is probably a house number applied to transistors sold specifically to Allied (Knight).  The early Bendix products were likely PNP Germanium transistors.

Are they in TO-3 packages similar to this drawing?


Do you have a schematic for the amp?  I couldn't find anything on the web.  To repair this thing you'll have to reverse engineer it.  Not for beginners.  The early solid state amplifiers had all sort of problems, and most sounded terrible even when working properly.

Good luck,
Al
Al Klase ? N3FRQ Jersey City, NJ http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/  
On 6/9/2016 2:55 PM, Chuck wrote:
Just remember Reply = Poster Reply All = Everyone _________________________________________________________ 


Does anyone know what a good equivalent replacement transistor would be for a ?Bendix 660032?? 
It?s one of those metal quarter-size transistors - circa 1973.
I?m working on a KX-60 Allied Knight kit - 50 watt solid-state stereo amplifier and found two of them (one shorted & one open) in the power supply circuit.
I believe they are being used as rectifiers.
Any info would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
Chuck
AC2DP

From: RICHARD LEE 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:38 PM
To: Reflector 
Subject: [NJARC] June 10th Meeting at Princeton

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 07:16:14 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:16:14 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Chuck -

I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using the
Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 07:44:15 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:44:15 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Chuck -

BTW, something caused those transistors to fail, and, you should try and
find out what that is prior to just replacing them. I also believe that it
is much earlier than the 1073 that you mention. By that time most amps were
using Silicon NPN transistors. In 1973 I bought a Pioneer SA9100 amp that I
still have and use. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
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732-886-5960 


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To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
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From n2yeg at optonline.net  Fri Jun 10 09:09:21 2016
From: n2yeg at optonline.net (Bill Zukowski)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:09:21 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Chuck,

Two things are obvious from looking at the schematic: The transistor is 
a 2N234A; it's used as a filter amplifier.

The 2N234A is a low gain PNP Ge audio transistor that has a substitute 
if NTE 121, still widely available.  The only place I know of locally to 
pick one up is IEI on Rte. 36 in Hazlet.  Or else any mail order supply 
house has them.

They're used here as filter "amplifiers", one in the +23v bus and one in 
the -23v bus. The value of the two caps on the base of the transistor is 
essentially amplified, a common practice in the 60s and early 70s.

As Al said, something caused the transistor to blow.  The first thing 
I'd suspect are the output transistors fed by the now defunct 2N234A (TR 
15, 16 or 17, 18).  I worked for Sony/Superscope in the late 60s early 
70s, and the early solid state power amps were very unreliable, plus 
I've seen this also in other amps with germanium power transistors that 
I've repaired in recent years.

It doesn't look like an insurmountably problem

Thanks,

Bill


http://www.ebay.com/itm/2N234A-PNP-GERM-ALLOY-TO-3-/141579288545?hash=item20f6c87fe1:g:CPUAAOSw5ZBWIAWy


On 6/10/2016 4:40 AM, Chuck wrote:
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> _________________________________________________________
>
>
> Hi Al,
> You are right --- they are PNPs.
> I do have the schematic. I attached it...
> And they are in TO-3 packages exactly like your drawing.
> I can see how it' is wired, but I never saw a transistor used as a 
> rectifier before.
> Thanks for your help Al.
> 73,
> Chuck
> From: Al Klase
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 3:32 AM
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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> _________________________________________________________
> Chuck,
> 660032 is probably a house number applied to transistors sold 
> specifically to Allied (Knight).  The early Bendix products were 
> likely PNP Germanium transistors.
> Are they in TO-3 packages similar to this drawing?
> Do you have a schematic for the amp?  I couldn't find anything on the 
> web.  To repair this thing you'll have to reverse engineer it.  Not 
> for beginners.  The early solid state amplifiers had all sort of 
> problems, and most sounded terrible even when working properly.
> Good luck,
> Al
> Al Klase ? N3FRQ Jersey City, NJ http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> On 6/9/2016 2:55 PM, Chuck wrote:
> Just remember Reply = Poster Reply All = Everyone 
> _________________________________________________________
> Does anyone know what a good equivalent replacement transistor would 
> be for a ?Bendix 660032??
> It?s one of those metal quarter-size transistors - circa 1973.
> I?m working on a KX-60 Allied Knight kit - 50 watt solid-state stereo 
> amplifier and found two of them (one shorted & one open) in the power 
> supply circuit.
> I believe they are being used as rectifiers.
> Any info would be much appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Chuck
> AC2DP
> From: RICHARD LEE
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:38 PM
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> Subject: [NJARC] June 10th Meeting at Princeton
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 10:09:23 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:09:23 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Hi Mike,
That sounds very plausible.
My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply 
circuit design is new to me.
If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from 
you.

Thanks Mike...
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using the
Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960

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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 10:25:48 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:25:48 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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You are spot on Mike...
Both filter caps were totally dried up and causing the power transformer to 
cook.
I am sure that also caused one of those transistors to open and the other to 
short.
I re-stuffed the filter caps then replaced the Bendix 660032s with a couple 
of Motorola IRF-240s I had in the shop.
The amp came to life after that, but not quite fixed yet.
Those transistors have built-in diodes and do not seem to be quite right, 
since they introduced a hum.

Thanks again,
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:44 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

BTW, something caused those transistors to fail, and, you should try and
find out what that is prior to just replacing them. I also believe that it
is much earlier than the 1073 that you mention. By that time most amps were
using Silicon NPN transistors. In 1973 I bought a Pioneer SA9100 amp that I
still have and use. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 10:36:23 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:36:23 -0400
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Hi Bill,
Thanks for attaching the data sheet.
Looking at the schematic, your analysis sounds right on.
I did find the filter caps totally shot, which caused the power supply transformer to overheat and those transistors to fail.
I have been running it with new caps and a couple poor replacements for the 660032s, but it is stable now even though it has a hum.

Thanks,
Chuck

From: Bill Zukowski 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:09 AM
To: Chuck ; njarc at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck,

Two things are obvious from looking at the schematic: The transistor is a 2N234A; it's used as a filter amplifier.

The 2N234A is a low gain PNP Ge audio transistor that has a substitute if NTE 121, still widely available.  The only place I know of locally to pick one up is IEI on Rte. 36 in Hazlet.  Or else any mail order supply house has them.


They're used here as filter "amplifiers", one in the +23v bus and one in the -23v bus. The value of the two caps on the base of the transistor is essentially amplified, a common practice in the 60s and early 70s.

As Al said, something caused the transistor to blow.  The first thing I'd suspect are the output transistors fed by the now defunct 2N234A (TR 15, 16 or 17, 18).  I worked for Sony/Superscope in the late 60s early 70s, and the early solid state power amps were very unreliable, plus I've seen this also in other amps with germanium power transistors that I've repaired in recent years.

It doesn't look like an insurmountably problem

Thanks,

Bill




http://www.ebay.com/itm/2N234A-PNP-GERM-ALLOY-TO-3-/141579288545?hash=item20f6c87fe1:g:CPUAAOSw5ZBWIAWy




On 6/10/2016 4:40 AM, Chuck wrote:

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  Hi Al,
  You are right --- they are PNPs.
  I do have the schematic. I attached it...
  And they are in TO-3 packages exactly like your drawing.
  I can see how it' is wired, but I never saw a transistor used as a rectifier before.

  Thanks for your help Al.

  73,
  Chuck


  From: Al Klase 
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 3:32 AM
  To: njarc at mailman.qth.net 
  Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

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  Chuck,

  660032 is probably a house number applied to transistors sold specifically to Allied (Knight).  The early Bendix products were likely PNP Germanium transistors.

  Are they in TO-3 packages similar to this drawing?


  Do you have a schematic for the amp?  I couldn't find anything on the web.  To repair this thing you'll have to reverse engineer it.  Not for beginners.  The early solid state amplifiers had all sort of problems, and most sounded terrible even when working properly.

  Good luck,
  Al
  Al Klase ? N3FRQ Jersey City, NJ http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/  
  On 6/9/2016 2:55 PM, Chuck wrote:
  Just remember Reply = Poster Reply All = Everyone _________________________________________________________ 


  Does anyone know what a good equivalent replacement transistor would be for a ?Bendix 660032?? 
  It?s one of those metal quarter-size transistors - circa 1973.
  I?m working on a KX-60 Allied Knight kit - 50 watt solid-state stereo amplifier and found two of them (one shorted & one open) in the power supply circuit.
  I believe they are being used as rectifiers.
  Any info would be much appreciated!

  Thanks,
  Chuck
  AC2DP

  From: RICHARD LEE 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:38 PM
  To: Reflector 
  Subject: [NJARC] June 10th Meeting at Princeton

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  _________________________________________________________

  Greetings Fellow Enthusiasts!  Just a reminder that the NJARC June 10th meeting will be held this Friday, at Bowen Hall, Princeton U. The agenda includes talks by V.P. Sal Brisindi...all you want to know about capacitor nomenclature.... and webmaster Dave Sica speaking on a resent break-through in CRT rebuilding...a small auction will follow.  See you all there!  Richard Lee., Pres. NJARC
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 10:45:20 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:45:20 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Chuck -

I do not think the IRF240's are doing you much good in that circuit as they
are N channel FETs. If the amp now works, you could even try it by not using
any transistors at all in the PS, however, possibly replacing the caps to
about 10,000 microfarads at 25 volts. Even just one in the positive and one
in the negative should do it. As those transistors were C multipliers
anyway, as I said before, you can get away without using them. A scope may
help also, but, I would definitely take out the FETs. Also check for other
defective caps within the amp itself. 73 - Mike  

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:26 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

You are spot on Mike...
Both filter caps were totally dried up and causing the power transformer to
cook.
I am sure that also caused one of those transistors to open and the other to
short.
I re-stuffed the filter caps then replaced the Bendix 660032s with a couple
of Motorola IRF-240s I had in the shop.
The amp came to life after that, but not quite fixed yet.
Those transistors have built-in diodes and do not seem to be quite right,
since they introduced a hum.

Thanks again,
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:44 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

BTW, something caused those transistors to fail, and, you should try and
find out what that is prior to just replacing them. I also believe that it
is much earlier than the 1073 that you mention. By that time most amps were
using Silicon NPN transistors. In 1973 I bought a Pioneer SA9100 amp that I
still have and use. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 10:48:24 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:48:24 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Another BTW, check the diodes in the supplies as well. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:26 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

You are spot on Mike...
Both filter caps were totally dried up and causing the power transformer to
cook.
I am sure that also caused one of those transistors to open and the other to
short.
I re-stuffed the filter caps then replaced the Bendix 660032s with a couple
of Motorola IRF-240s I had in the shop.
The amp came to life after that, but not quite fixed yet.
Those transistors have built-in diodes and do not seem to be quite right,
since they introduced a hum.

Thanks again,
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:44 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

BTW, something caused those transistors to fail, and, you should try and
find out what that is prior to just replacing them. I also believe that it
is much earlier than the 1073 that you mention. By that time most amps were
using Silicon NPN transistors. In 1973 I bought a Pioneer SA9100 amp that I
still have and use. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 10:57:02 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 10:57:02 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and
check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as the
voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only real
criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs would work,
but would require some circuit topology of the PS to change. Even silicon
will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less out. Will let you know as
I have thousands. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi Mike,
That sounds very plausible.
My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply
circuit design is new to me.
If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from
you.

Thanks Mike...
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using the
Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960

-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Just remember
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 11:06:19 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:06:19 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Thanks for the warning! I will take those transistors out!
All of the diodes tested good. That was one of the first things I checked. 
And I completely recapped the amp, so it is getting there.
I forgot what made me think those IRF-240 transistors might work, or why I 
tried them, but you can hear that they are not what the amp needs.
I understand what you are describing about eliminating the transistors all 
together.
It sounds like a great idea, but the amp belongs to a friend of mine and I 
don't think I should change anything in it.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:48 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Another BTW, check the diodes in the supplies as well. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:26 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

You are spot on Mike...
Both filter caps were totally dried up and causing the power transformer to
cook.
I am sure that also caused one of those transistors to open and the other to
short.
I re-stuffed the filter caps then replaced the Bendix 660032s with a couple
of Motorola IRF-240s I had in the shop.
The amp came to life after that, but not quite fixed yet.
Those transistors have built-in diodes and do not seem to be quite right,
since they introduced a hum.

Thanks again,
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:44 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

BTW, something caused those transistors to fail, and, you should try and
find out what that is prior to just replacing them. I also believe that it
is much earlier than the 1073 that you mention. By that time most amps were
using Silicon NPN transistors. In 1973 I bought a Pioneer SA9100 amp that I
still have and use. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 11:08:35 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:08:35 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Thank you Mike.
You have been a great help!
And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
See you tonight at the meeting.
Thanks again!!!!!!!
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and
check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as the
voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only real
criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs would work,
but would require some circuit topology of the PS to change. Even silicon
will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less out. Will let you know as
I have thousands. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi Mike,
That sounds very plausible.
My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply
circuit design is new to me.
If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from
you.

Thanks Mike...
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using the
Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960

-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Just remember
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 12:35:59 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:35:59 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Chuck -

Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found some
2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but silicon. I am sure
they will work just fine in that circuit. You can pick them up, or, I can
mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73 - Mike

http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Thank you Mike.
You have been a great help!
And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
See you tonight at the meeting.
Thanks again!!!!!!!
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and
check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as the
voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only real
criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs would work,
but would require some circuit topology of the PS to change. Even silicon
will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less out. Will let you know as
I have thousands. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi Mike,
That sounds very plausible.
My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply
circuit design is new to me.
If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from
you.

Thanks Mike...
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck -

I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using the
Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960

-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

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From ark at ar88.net  Fri Jun 10 13:34:22 2016
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:34:22 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Chuck,

Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon 
should work just fine, that's not always the case.

In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring 
some PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.

Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10 
would be sufficient.

Al

Al Klase ? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/

On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
> Chuck -
>
> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found some
> 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but silicon. I am sure
> they will work just fine in that circuit. You can pick them up, or, I can
> mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73 - Mike
>
> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Thank you Mike.
> You have been a great help!
> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
> See you tonight at the meeting.
> Thanks again!!!!!!!
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Feher
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and
> check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as the
> voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only real
> criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs would work,
> but would require some circuit topology of the PS to change. Even silicon
> will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less out. Will let you know as
> I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Hi Mike,
> That sounds very plausible.
> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply
> circuit design is new to me.
> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from
> you.
>
> Thanks Mike...
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Feher
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Chuck -
>
> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using the
> Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
> power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
>


From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 14:53:24 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:53:24 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Al -

Great, now I do not have to go down in the basement or mail a package, HI.
As I mentioned earlier, this is a simple C multiplier. An hfe of 10 is
adequate, but, I even wonder if you can find transistors that low. And, in
this case, you do not really need them anyway if you could increase the C.
Typical germanium current gains were less than that of silicon, and I
measured two of the 2N4398s here and they were both close to 200. I am sure
whatever PNP germanium/silicon you bring will be just fine for Chuck. 73 -
Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Al Klase [mailto:ark at ar88.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
To: Mike Feher; 'Chuck'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Chuck,

Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon
should work just fine, that's not always the case.

In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring some
PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.

Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10 would be
sufficient.

Al

Al Klase - N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/

On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
> Chuck -
>
> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found 
> some 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but 
> silicon. I am sure they will work just fine in that circuit. You can 
> pick them up, or, I can mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73 - 
> Mike
>
> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Thank you Mike.
> You have been a great help!
> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
> See you tonight at the meeting.
> Thanks again!!!!!!!
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Feher
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and 
> check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as 
> the voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only 
> real criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs 
> would work, but would require some circuit topology of the PS to 
> change. Even silicon will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less 
> out. Will let you know as I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Hi Mike,
> That sounds very plausible.
> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply 
> circuit design is new to me.
> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them 
> from you.
>
> Thanks Mike...
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Feher
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Chuck -
>
> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers 
> using the Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I 
> have lots of PNP power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
>



From rjlfirst at msn.com  Fri Jun 10 21:04:46 2016
From: rjlfirst at msn.com (Rich)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:04:46 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Hi guys,

I use to repair those old transistor car radios and just wanted to say that 
as you know most used Ge PNP power transistors. Substituting a silicon PNP 
will usually result in cross-over distortion due to the difference in the 
base-emitter bias voltage.  Give it a try, it will not cause any damage, 
just a good possibility of distortion.

Good Luck with it,
Rich L.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
To: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; 
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Chuck,
>
> Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon 
> should work just fine, that's not always the case.
>
> In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring some 
> PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.
>
> Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10 would 
> be sufficient.
>
> Al
>
> Al Klase ? N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
> On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
>> Chuck -
>>
>> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found 
>> some
>> 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but silicon. I am 
>> sure
>> they will work just fine in that circuit. You can pick them up, or, I can
>> mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73 - Mike
>>
>> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Thank you Mike.
>> You have been a great help!
>> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
>> See you tonight at the meeting.
>> Thanks again!!!!!!!
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and
>> check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as the
>> voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only real
>> criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs would 
>> work,
>> but would require some circuit topology of the PS to change. Even silicon
>> will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less out. Will let you know 
>> as
>> I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> That sounds very plausible.
>> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply
>> circuit design is new to me.
>> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from
>> you.
>>
>> Thanks Mike...
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Chuck -
>>
>> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using 
>> the
>> Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
>> power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
>> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 23:45:02 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:45:02 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <BAY180-DS15DF68ABBBE10090860D2CCB510@phx.gbl>
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Hi Rich,
I think I got the right type from Al tonight at the meeting.
I'm going to give that a try tomorrow.
I'll let everyone know if it works...

Thanks for the heads-up Rich!

Chuck


-----Original Message----- 
From: Rich
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:04 PM
To: Mike Feher ; 'Chuck' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; Al Klase
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi guys,

I use to repair those old transistor car radios and just wanted to say that
as you know most used Ge PNP power transistors. Substituting a silicon PNP
will usually result in cross-over distortion due to the difference in the
base-emitter bias voltage.  Give it a try, it will not cause any damage,
just a good possibility of distortion.

Good Luck with it,
Rich L.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
To: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>;
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Chuck,
>
> Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon 
> should work just fine, that's not always the case.
>
> In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring some 
> PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.
>
> Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10 would 
> be sufficient.
>
> Al
>
> Al Klase ? N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
> On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
>> Chuck -
>>
>> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found 
>> some
>> 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but silicon. I am 
>> sure
>> they will work just fine in that circuit. You can pick them up, or, I can
>> mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73 - Mike
>>
>> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Thank you Mike.
>> You have been a great help!
>> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
>> See you tonight at the meeting.
>> Thanks again!!!!!!!
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and
>> check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as the
>> voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only real
>> criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs would 
>> work,
>> but would require some circuit topology of the PS to change. Even silicon
>> will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less out. Will let you know 
>> as
>> I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> That sounds very plausible.
>> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply
>> circuit design is new to me.
>> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from
>> you.
>>
>> Thanks Mike...
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Chuck -
>>
>> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using 
>> the
>> Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of PNP
>> power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
>> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 10 23:48:33 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:48:33 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <F03D2EA67BB045FF9090CAE35384C316@WSSADMIN001>
References: <1318812953.131536.1465349939621.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1318812953.131536.1465349939621.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><BDC5AEE7B2C94C809568808EEB32E33A@WSSADMIN001><e255c477-75d5-c8e5-96b4-79fec75361fb@ar88.net><D8AAA600CEC14D33BB8704A8D61C8949@WSSADMIN001><00e901d1c309$811787e0$834697a0$@eozinc.com><77F3C305499B4C5AA27DA63C8B8ADC15@WSSADMIN001><015901d1c328$594669b0$0bd33d10$@eozinc.com><B739B67DBA394BF0B06A9252337A1129@WSSADMIN001><018301d1c336$2c73ec60$855bc520$@eozinc.com>
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I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the schematic of
where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post. Let us know Chuck.
73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:45 PM
To: Rich; Mike Feher; njarc at mailman.qth.net; Al Klase
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi Rich,
I think I got the right type from Al tonight at the meeting.
I'm going to give that a try tomorrow.
I'll let everyone know if it works...

Thanks for the heads-up Rich!

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Rich
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:04 PM
To: Mike Feher ; 'Chuck' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; Al Klase
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi guys,

I use to repair those old transistor car radios and just wanted to say that
as you know most used Ge PNP power transistors. Substituting a silicon PNP
will usually result in cross-over distortion due to the difference in the
base-emitter bias voltage.  Give it a try, it will not cause any damage,
just a good possibility of distortion.

Good Luck with it,
Rich L.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
To: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>;
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Chuck,
>
> Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon 
> should work just fine, that's not always the case.
>
> In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring 
> some PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.
>
> Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10 
> would be sufficient.
>
> Al
>
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
> On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
>> Chuck -
>>
>> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found 
>> some 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but 
>> silicon. I am sure they will work just fine in that circuit. You can 
>> pick them up, or, I can mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73 
>> - Mike
>>
>> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Thank you Mike.
>> You have been a great help!
>> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
>> See you tonight at the meeting.
>> Thanks again!!!!!!!
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs 
>> and check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical 
>> as the voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your 
>> only real criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even 
>> NPNs would work, but would require some circuit topology of the PS to 
>> change. Even silicon will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt 
>> less out. Will let you know as I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> That sounds very plausible.
>> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power 
>> supply circuit design is new to me.
>> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them 
>> from you.
>>
>> Thanks Mike...
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Chuck -
>>
>> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers 
>> using the Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I 
>> have lots of PNP power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
>> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From trainbee at aol.com  Sat Jun 11 07:54:03 2016
From: trainbee at aol.com (TrainBee)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 07:54:03 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Cap reference sheet
Message-ID: <1553f4fd17e-807-296c@webprd-m72.mail.aol.com>

Sal,

    Do you have version of the Capacitor Reference sheet you could send me or post on the website?

Thanks.
Joe Devonshire
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From rjlfirst at msn.com  Sat Jun 11 08:42:01 2016
From: rjlfirst at msn.com (Rich)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:42:01 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Mike,

Right on. I didn't see the schematic. For some reason I thought that you 
guys were referring to an early transistorized car radio.  I may have mixed 
up a couple of emails. But I would be happy to take a look at the schematic 
if things don't work out for you.

Rich L.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
To: "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>; 
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the schematic 
> of
> where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post. Let us know 
> Chuck.
> 73 - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:45 PM
> To: Rich; Mike Feher; njarc at mailman.qth.net; Al Klase
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Hi Rich,
> I think I got the right type from Al tonight at the meeting.
> I'm going to give that a try tomorrow.
> I'll let everyone know if it works...
>
> Thanks for the heads-up Rich!
>
> Chuck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:04 PM
> To: Mike Feher ; 'Chuck' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; Al Klase
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I use to repair those old transistor car radios and just wanted to say 
> that
> as you know most used Ge PNP power transistors. Substituting a silicon PNP
> will usually result in cross-over distortion due to the difference in the
> base-emitter bias voltage.  Give it a try, it will not cause any damage,
> just a good possibility of distortion.
>
> Good Luck with it,
> Rich L.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
> To: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>;
> <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon
>> should work just fine, that's not always the case.
>>
>> In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring
>> some PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.
>>
>> Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10
>> would be sufficient.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> Al Klase - N3FRQ
>> Jersey City, NJ
>> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>>
>> On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
>>> Chuck -
>>>
>>> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found
>>> some 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but
>>> silicon. I am sure they will work just fine in that circuit. You can
>>> pick them up, or, I can mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73
>>> - Mike
>>>
>>> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
>>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Thank you Mike.
>>> You have been a great help!
>>> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
>>> See you tonight at the meeting.
>>> Thanks again!!!!!!!
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Feher
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
>>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs
>>> and check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical
>>> as the voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your
>>> only real criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even
>>> NPNs would work, but would require some circuit topology of the PS to
>>> change. Even silicon will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt
>>> less out. Will let you know as I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
>>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> That sounds very plausible.
>>> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power
>>> supply circuit design is new to me.
>>> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them
>>> from you.
>>>
>>> Thanks Mike...
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Feher
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
>>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Chuck -
>>>
>>> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers
>>> using the Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I
>>> have lots of PNP power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
>>> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Just remember
>>> Reply = Poster
>>> Reply All = Everyone
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>
>>
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From rjlfirst at msn.com  Sat Jun 11 08:43:18 2016
From: rjlfirst at msn.com (Rich)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:43:18 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <F03D2EA67BB045FF9090CAE35384C316@WSSADMIN001>
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Sounds good. Hope it works out for you.

Rich

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Chuck" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:45 PM
To: "Rich" <rjlfirst at msn.com>; "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; 
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Hi Rich,
> I think I got the right type from Al tonight at the meeting.
> I'm going to give that a try tomorrow.
> I'll let everyone know if it works...
>
> Thanks for the heads-up Rich!
>
> Chuck
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rich
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:04 PM
> To: Mike Feher ; 'Chuck' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; Al Klase
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I use to repair those old transistor car radios and just wanted to say 
> that
> as you know most used Ge PNP power transistors. Substituting a silicon PNP
> will usually result in cross-over distortion due to the difference in the
> base-emitter bias voltage.  Give it a try, it will not cause any damage,
> just a good possibility of distortion.
>
> Good Luck with it,
> Rich L.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
> To: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>;
> <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon 
>> should work just fine, that's not always the case.
>>
>> In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring 
>> some PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.
>>
>> Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10 would 
>> be sufficient.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> Al Klase ? N3FRQ
>> Jersey City, NJ
>> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>>
>> On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
>>> Chuck -
>>>
>>> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found 
>>> some
>>> 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but silicon. I am 
>>> sure
>>> they will work just fine in that circuit. You can pick them up, or, I 
>>> can
>>> mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73 - Mike
>>>
>>> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
>>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Thank you Mike.
>>> You have been a great help!
>>> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
>>> See you tonight at the meeting.
>>> Thanks again!!!!!!!
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Feher
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
>>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs and
>>> check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical as the
>>> voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your only real
>>> criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even NPNs would 
>>> work,
>>> but would require some circuit topology of the PS to change. Even 
>>> silicon
>>> will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt less out. Will let you know 
>>> as
>>> I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
>>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> That sounds very plausible.
>>> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power supply
>>> circuit design is new to me.
>>> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them from
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Thanks Mike...
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Feher
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
>>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Chuck -
>>>
>>> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers using 
>>> the
>>> Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I have lots of 
>>> PNP
>>> power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
>>> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>>
>>> Just remember
>>> Reply = Poster
>>> Reply All = Everyone
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> NJARC mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/njarc
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> 

From n4fs at eozinc.com  Sat Jun 11 08:46:37 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:46:37 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <BAY180-DS2651A41AD0576FA7D46FEBCB510@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <031b01d1c3df$4c3c7950$e4b56bf0$@eozinc.com>

Rich -

Thanks for the offer, but this was not for me, but for a solid state amp
that Chuck was trying to repair for a friend. If you look back you may see a
post that Chuck made that included the schematic. The transistors that were
defective were used as  simple Miller effect C multipliers in the power
supply.  That is why Ge or Si did not matter in the application even though
the originals were Ge. Regardless, I am not going to repeat all the previous
posts, but appreciate your offer. Regards - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Rich [mailto:rjlfirst at msn.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:42 AM
To: Mike Feher; 'Chuck'; njarc at mailman.qth.net; 'Al Klase'
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Mike,

Right on. I didn't see the schematic. For some reason I thought that you
guys were referring to an early transistorized car radio.  I may have mixed
up a couple of emails. But I would be happy to take a look at the schematic
if things don't work out for you.

Rich L.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
To: "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>;
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the 
> schematic of where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post. 
> Let us know Chuck.
> 73 - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960


From rjlfirst at msn.com  Sat Jun 11 12:24:49 2016
From: rjlfirst at msn.com (Rich)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:24:49 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <031b01d1c3df$4c3c7950$e4b56bf0$@eozinc.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY180-DS985A37342222DB47E6403CB510@phx.gbl>

OK Mike,

Not necessary to repeat any of the messages. I am familiar with capacitive 
multiplier circuits. Hope all goes well.

Rich

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:46 AM
To: "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; 
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Rich -
>
> Thanks for the offer, but this was not for me, but for a solid state amp
> that Chuck was trying to repair for a friend. If you look back you may see 
> a
> post that Chuck made that included the schematic. The transistors that 
> were
> defective were used as  simple Miller effect C multipliers in the power
> supply.  That is why Ge or Si did not matter in the application even 
> though
> the originals were Ge. Regardless, I am not going to repeat all the 
> previous
> posts, but appreciate your offer. Regards - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich [mailto:rjlfirst at msn.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:42 AM
> To: Mike Feher; 'Chuck'; njarc at mailman.qth.net; 'Al Klase'
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Mike,
>
> Right on. I didn't see the schematic. For some reason I thought that you
> guys were referring to an early transistorized car radio.  I may have 
> mixed
> up a couple of emails. But I would be happy to take a look at the 
> schematic
> if things don't work out for you.
>
> Rich L.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
> To: "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>;
> <njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
>> I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the
>> schematic of where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post.
>> Let us know Chuck.
>> 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>
> 

From dave.sica at njarc.org  Sat Jun 11 22:16:01 2016
From: dave.sica at njarc.org (David Sica)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 22:16:01 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <BAY180-DS985A37342222DB47E6403CB510@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CAMh_1mXtxGgJoYsmyznbaUCJVFKi+JpOS0oqobas+csYJ5QA=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta love this group.  I've been a 'shade tree' radio mechanic most of my
life yet I had never heard of filter multipliers before.  Ya learn
something every day.

-- Dave


New Jersey Antique Radio Club

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Rich <rjlfirst at msn.com> wrote:

> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
> OK Mike,
>
> Not necessary to repeat any of the messages. I am familiar with capacitive
> multiplier circuits. Hope all goes well.
>
> Rich
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; <
> njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
>
> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Rich -
>>
>> Thanks for the offer, but this was not for me, but for a solid state amp
>> that Chuck was trying to repair for a friend. If you look back you may
>> see a
>> post that Chuck made that included the schematic. The transistors that
>> were
>> defective were used as  simple Miller effect C multipliers in the power
>> supply.  That is why Ge or Si did not matter in the application even
>> though
>> the originals were Ge. Regardless, I am not going to repeat all the
>> previous
>> posts, but appreciate your offer. Regards - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rich [mailto:rjlfirst at msn.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:42 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Chuck'; njarc at mailman.qth.net; 'Al Klase'
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Right on. I didn't see the schematic. For some reason I thought that you
>> guys were referring to an early transistorized car radio.  I may have
>> mixed
>> up a couple of emails. But I would be happy to take a look at the
>> schematic
>> if things don't work out for you.
>>
>> Rich L.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
>> To: "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>;
>> <njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the
>>> schematic of where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post.
>>> Let us know Chuck.
>>> 73 - Mike
>>>
>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>> 732-886-5960
>>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Sat Jun 11 23:23:58 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:23:58 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
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Hi Mike,
The transistors Al gave me did work! Thank you Al!!!
Except I can't tell you what they are because the print is worn of them and 
I cannot read the numbers - ugh --- lol...


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Rich' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; 'Al Klase'
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the schematic of
where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post. Let us know Chuck.
73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:45 PM
To: Rich; Mike Feher; njarc at mailman.qth.net; Al Klase
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi Rich,
I think I got the right type from Al tonight at the meeting.
I'm going to give that a try tomorrow.
I'll let everyone know if it works...

Thanks for the heads-up Rich!

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Rich
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:04 PM
To: Mike Feher ; 'Chuck' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; Al Klase
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi guys,

I use to repair those old transistor car radios and just wanted to say that
as you know most used Ge PNP power transistors. Substituting a silicon PNP
will usually result in cross-over distortion due to the difference in the
base-emitter bias voltage.  Give it a try, it will not cause any damage,
just a good possibility of distortion.

Good Luck with it,
Rich L.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
To: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>;
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Chuck,
>
> Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon
> should work just fine, that's not always the case.
>
> In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring
> some PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.
>
> Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10
> would be sufficient.
>
> Al
>
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
> On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
>> Chuck -
>>
>> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found
>> some 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but
>> silicon. I am sure they will work just fine in that circuit. You can
>> pick them up, or, I can mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73
>> - Mike
>>
>> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Thank you Mike.
>> You have been a great help!
>> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
>> See you tonight at the meeting.
>> Thanks again!!!!!!!
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs
>> and check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical
>> as the voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your
>> only real criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even
>> NPNs would work, but would require some circuit topology of the PS to
>> change. Even silicon will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt
>> less out. Will let you know as I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> That sounds very plausible.
>> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power
>> supply circuit design is new to me.
>> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them
>> from you.
>>
>> Thanks Mike...
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Chuck -
>>
>> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers
>> using the Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I
>> have lots of PNP power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
>> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Sat Jun 11 23:31:41 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:31:41 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <BAY180-DS985A37342222DB47E6403CB510@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <A6E0F6B40D64406F8E5428A0BC6A2957@WSSADMIN001>

I still appreciated your input Rich.
The amp is operational now and that has revealed the next set of issues I'll 
have to figure out.
So this amp is by no means all done yet!
Fun!!! - lol

Thanks everyone,
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rich
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:24 PM
To: Mike Feher ; 'Chuck' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; 'Al Klase'
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

OK Mike,

Not necessary to repeat any of the messages. I am familiar with capacitive
multiplier circuits. Hope all goes well.

Rich

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:46 AM
To: "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>;
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Rich -
>
> Thanks for the offer, but this was not for me, but for a solid state amp
> that Chuck was trying to repair for a friend. If you look back you may see 
> a
> post that Chuck made that included the schematic. The transistors that 
> were
> defective were used as  simple Miller effect C multipliers in the power
> supply.  That is why Ge or Si did not matter in the application even 
> though
> the originals were Ge. Regardless, I am not going to repeat all the 
> previous
> posts, but appreciate your offer. Regards - Mike
>
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich [mailto:rjlfirst at msn.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:42 AM
> To: Mike Feher; 'Chuck'; njarc at mailman.qth.net; 'Al Klase'
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
> Mike,
>
> Right on. I didn't see the schematic. For some reason I thought that you
> guys were referring to an early transistorized car radio.  I may have 
> mixed
> up a couple of emails. But I would be happy to take a look at the 
> schematic
> if things don't work out for you.
>
> Rich L.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
> To: "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>;
> <njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>
>> I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the
>> schematic of where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post.
>> Let us know Chuck.
>> 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>
> 


From n4fs at eozinc.com  Sat Jun 11 23:32:26 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:32:26 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <5FFB6BF5003142DFA1EF577A53274EE0@WSSADMIN001>
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Chuck -

Good news. As I said, just about anything would work in that circuit, so, do
not worry about the numbers, HI. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 11:24 PM
To: Mike Feher; 'Rich'; njarc at mailman.qth.net; 'Al Klase'
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi Mike,
The transistors Al gave me did work! Thank you Al!!!
Except I can't tell you what they are because the print is worn of them and
I cannot read the numbers - ugh --- lol...


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Feher
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
To: 'Chuck' ; 'Rich' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; 'Al Klase'
Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the schematic of
where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post. Let us know Chuck.
73 - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:45 PM
To: Rich; Mike Feher; njarc at mailman.qth.net; Al Klase
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi Rich,
I think I got the right type from Al tonight at the meeting.
I'm going to give that a try tomorrow.
I'll let everyone know if it works...

Thanks for the heads-up Rich!

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Rich
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:04 PM
To: Mike Feher ; 'Chuck' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net ; Al Klase
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Hi guys,

I use to repair those old transistor car radios and just wanted to say that
as you know most used Ge PNP power transistors. Substituting a silicon PNP
will usually result in cross-over distortion due to the difference in the
base-emitter bias voltage.  Give it a try, it will not cause any damage,
just a good possibility of distortion.

Good Luck with it,
Rich L.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Al Klase" <ark at ar88.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:34 PM
To: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>;
<njarc at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Chuck,
>
> Mike's analysis has been spot on.  In this particular circuit, silicon
> should work just fine, that's not always the case.
>
> In the mean time I dug through my Germanium power box, and will bring
> some PNP TO-3 along to the meeting.
>
> Mike, can you take a SWAG at the required HFE (gain).  I'm thing 10
> would be sufficient.
>
> Al
>
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
>
> On 6/10/2016 12:35 PM, Mike Feher wrote:
>> Chuck -
>>
>> Even without going downstairs, which I try to avoid nowadays, I found
>> some 2N4398s by Motorola that are NOS. These are TO-3 PNPs but
>> silicon. I am sure they will work just fine in that circuit. You can
>> pick them up, or, I can mail them to you. Here is the data sheet. 73
>> - Mike
>>
>> http://www.nteinc.com/specs/original/2N4398_99.pdf
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Thank you Mike.
>> You have been a great help!
>> And -- I would be more than happy to pay for those transistors.
>> See you tonight at the meeting.
>> Thanks again!!!!!!!
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:57 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> If I find a couple you can have them. I just have to go downstairs
>> and check, but, I know I have them. They are really not that critical
>> as the voltages on all three junctions is essentially the same. Your
>> only real criteria is that they be PNP in a TO-3 style package. Even
>> NPNs would work, but would require some circuit topology of the PS to
>> change. Even silicon will work, giving you a few tenths of a volt
>> less out. Will let you know as I have thousands. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck [mailto:cpaci1 at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:09 AM
>> To: Mike Feher; 'Al Klase'; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> That sounds very plausible.
>> My experience with solid state is fairly limited and this power
>> supply circuit design is new to me.
>> If you do find a couple transistors that will work, I will buy them
>> from you.
>>
>> Thanks Mike...
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Feher
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:16 AM
>> To: 'Chuck' ; 'Al Klase' ; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Chuck -
>>
>> I believe on this case the transistors are acting as C multipliers
>> using the Miller effect. The diodes are doing the rectification. I
>> have lots of PNP power Ge transistors. 73 - Mike
>>
>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>> 732-886-5960
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 4:40 AM
>> To: Al Klase; njarc at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
>>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>
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From cpaci1 at verizon.net  Sat Jun 11 23:33:21 2016
From: cpaci1 at verizon.net (Chuck)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:33:21 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <CAMh_1mXtxGgJoYsmyznbaUCJVFKi+JpOS0oqobas+csYJ5QA=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <EEF64F200F004F129C71D00C798DF67F@WSSADMIN001>

That?s exactly why I joined the club Dave --- to learn from the experts.
And this club is full of them!!!
I have come so far just working with these guys in the radio clinics.
I knew nothing then compared to what I know now and I am thankful to everyone!

73,
Chuck


From: David Sica 
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:16 PM
To: njarc at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

Just remember
Reply = Poster
Reply All = Everyone

_________________________________________________________



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gotta love this group.?  I've been a 'shade tree' radio mechanic most of my life yet I had never heard of filter multipliers before.?  Ya learn something every day. 

-- Dave


New Jersey Antique Radio Club

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Rich <rjlfirst at msn.com> wrote:

  Just remember
  Reply = Poster
  Reply All = Everyone

  _________________________________________________________
  OK Mike,

  Not necessary to repeat any of the messages. I am familiar with capacitive multiplier circuits. Hope all goes well.

  Rich

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:46 AM
  To: "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>; "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; <njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net> 

  Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier


    Rich -

    Thanks for the offer, but this was not for me, but for a solid state amp
    that Chuck was trying to repair for a friend. If you look back you may see a
    post that Chuck made that included the schematic. The transistors that were
    defective were used as?  simple Miller effect C multipliers in the power
    supply.?  That is why Ge or Si did not matter in the application even though
    the originals were Ge. Regardless, I am not going to repeat all the previous
    posts, but appreciate your offer. Regards - Mike

    Mike B. Feher, N4FS
    89 Arnold Blvd.
    Howell, NJ, 07731
    732-886-5960


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rich [mailto:rjlfirst at msn.com]
    Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:42 AM
    To: Mike Feher; 'Chuck'; njarc at mailman.qth.net; 'Al Klase'
    Subject: Re: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier

    Mike,

    Right on. I didn't see the schematic. For some reason I thought that you
    guys were referring to an early transistorized car radio.?  I may have mixed
    up a couple of emails. But I would be happy to take a look at the schematic
    if things don't work out for you.

    Rich L.

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
    Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 PM
    To: "'Chuck'" <cpaci1 at verizon.net>; "'Rich'" <rjlfirst at msn.com>;
    <njarc at mailman.qth.net>; "'Al Klase'" <ark at ar88.net>
    Subject: RE: [NJARC] Knight KX-60 Amplifier


      I do not believe that Rich read the earlier emails and saw the
      schematic of where these are used. So, I did not comment on his post.
      Let us know Chuck.
      73 - Mike

      Mike B. Feher, N4FS
      89 Arnold Blvd.
      Howell, NJ, 07731
      732-886-5960




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From radiorich at prodigy.net  Tue Jun 14 19:17:29 2016
From: radiorich at prodigy.net (RICHARD LEE)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 23:17:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin seriously ill
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Greetings fellow enthusiasts, I just received word that? NJARC Charter Member, Jerry Simkin has been hospitalized in serious condition.? I will keep you posted as soon as I hear of any news...in the mean time, have positive thoughts for Jerry.? Regards,? Richard Lee Pres. NJARC
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From trainbee at aol.com  Wed Jun 15 10:45:43 2016
From: trainbee at aol.com (TrainBee)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:45:43 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] International Vacuum Tube Museum
Message-ID: <15554866bc0-7374-5648@webprd-m27.mail.aol.com>

I got this through the Heathkit Yahoo Group.  Eventually, they will have a newsletter in electronic and paper.

Have a look at:        http://vacuumtubemuseum.org/filling-the-vacuum/


Joe Devonshire
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Wed Jun 15 11:04:14 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:04:14 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] International Vacuum Tube Museum
Message-ID: <010601d1c717$2eee27f0$8cca77d0$@eozinc.com>

In my opinion, the guy is a charlatan. He has been flooding a lot of
reflectors, specifically the TCA one, where most question his intentions. It
is obvious he knows nothing about tubes, and is only looking for donations
and another notch in his belt. He is a real narcissist.  Check our his
LinkedIn profile. Regards - Mike

https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesfrancisbacon?authType=NAME_SEARCH&authTok
en=0XKK&locale=en_US&srchid=122487451466002326139&srchindex=9&srchtotal=104&
trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 



From n2yeg at optonline.net  Wed Jun 15 14:05:24 2016
From: n2yeg at optonline.net (Bill Zukowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
Message-ID: <de30a223-4382-930f-96cf-524269604b43@optonline.net>

https://www.nytimes.com/store/zenith-500l-transoceanic-restored-antique-radio-1952.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=350170230&utm_content=collectibles_antiques%20&%20rarities&utm_term=RADIO446_Zenith%20500L%20Transoceanic%20Restored%20Antique%20Radio%20-%201952&mr:referralID=2b53f6d7-3323-11e6-8cb4-005056941669&gclid=Cj0KEQjw-YO7BRDwi6Stp7T296ABEiQAD6iWMVoemAczzZqMX135_W1wjigWuUcU330g8gLB2JEZAksaAh1S8P8HAQ


From n2yeg at optonline.net  Wed Jun 15 14:10:42 2016
From: n2yeg at optonline.net (Bill Zukowski)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:10:42 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Forgot to sign.

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From billoradio at aol.com  Wed Jun 15 15:04:28 2016
From: billoradio at aol.com (William Overbeck)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:04:28 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
In-Reply-To: <13a1f509-14c6-baf3-d6fa-7f92cee162d9@optonline.net>
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Now I can retire !!!
 
 
 
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From retevis at comcast.net  Wed Jun 15 16:22:29 2016
From: retevis at comcast.net (Retevis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:22:29 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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I wonder who they are buying them from and what they are paying them?
Best wishes. 
Bob Tevis

Sent from Bob's iPhone

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From klancer2 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 15 16:54:32 2016
From: klancer2 at comcast.net (Harry Klancer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:54:32 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Bill, et al,

I'm not an expert, but that's not a 500 anything.
It may be a 600 - it looks a lot like my B600 for which I paid
$125 and about 6 hours of labor. For that price, they should at
least get the designation correct.

Or maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's an EXTREMELY RARE
- even one-of-a-kind - 500-series with a slide rule dial
  - but I don't think so.

                    Harry K

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>> Just remember
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From n3ibx at verizon.net  Wed Jun 15 17:39:17 2016
From: n3ibx at verizon.net (N3IBX)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:39:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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From ahunter01 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 15 19:57:26 2016
From: ahunter01 at comcast.net (Aaron Hunter)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:57:26 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
In-Reply-To: <de30a223-4382-930f-96cf-524269604b43@optonline.net>
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My leather one must be worth 10 times that!   LOL

Aaron Hunter

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From dino66 at optonline.net  Wed Jun 15 21:18:58 2016
From: dino66 at optonline.net (Robert Bennett)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 21:18:58 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Well Bill -
                 Here?s the scoop. This IS a 600 series Trans-Oceanic. The 500 series  (G500,H500) had ?airplane? style tuning, not the horizontal ?sweep? tuning. The letter ?L? refers to the year of manufacture. ?L? would indicate 1954 not 1952. Now to really confuse you, the real L600 did not have a headphone jack in front as shown in the picture (it was on the rear of the chassis. So, this radio is either a R600/1955, T600/1956, or Y600/1957. There was no S,U,V, W,or X year designates. A600, and B600 radios (like N3iBX Joe?s) have a 4 to 9 MC band, where the R,S, and T series radios had the 4 to 8 MC band. By the way, on a good day this radio is worth $150.00 US. 

Bob Bennett A.K.A. - ?Radiowild?

Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.
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From extrablues at nyc.rr.com  Wed Jun 15 22:34:29 2016
From: extrablues at nyc.rr.com (extrablues at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 22:34:29 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Message-ID: <B685DB42-5763-4767-A860-44B4E968F625@nyc.rr.com>

Wow, those NY Times readers really know how to spend money. Maybe I should list my restored G500 for 3-grand! Ha!!


> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Robert Bennett <dino66 at optonline.net> wrote:
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> Well Bill -
>                 Here?s the scoop. This IS a 600 series Trans-Oceanic. The 500 series  (G500,H500) had ?airplane? style tuning, not the horizontal ?sweep? tuning. The letter ?L? refers to the year of manufacture. ?L? would indicate 1954 not 1952. Now to really confuse you, the real L600 did not have a headphone jack in front as shown in the picture (it was on the rear of the chassis. So, this radio is either a R600/1955, T600/1956, or Y600/1957. There was no S,U,V, W,or X year designates. A600, and B600 radios (like N3iBX Joe?s) have a 4 to 9 MC band, where the R,S, and T series radios had the 4 to 8 MC band. By the way, on a good day this radio is worth $150.00 US. 
> 
> Bob Bennett A.K.A. - ?Radiowild?
> 
> Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Bill Zukowski <n2yeg at optonline.net> wrote:
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From radiograveyard at aol.com  Wed Jun 15 23:03:24 2016
From: radiograveyard at aol.com (radiograveyard at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:03:24 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Just remember its THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!!! Read by actors singers producers dope peddlers numbers writers pimps etc. Many of these people (they perhaps do not deserve the term) they none the less have lots of $$$$$$ and buy on a whim so its the bigger fool theory If you can catch a moron with money its a deal.
 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: extrablues <extrablues at nyc.rr.com>
To: Robert Bennett <dino66 at optonline.net>
Cc: NJARC <NJARC at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times

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Wow, those NY Times readers really know how to spend money. Maybe I should list my restored G500 for 3-grand! Ha!!


> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Robert Bennett <dino66 at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
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> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Well Bill -
>      Here?s the scoop. This IS a 600 series Trans-Oceanic. The 500 series  (G500,H500) had ?airplane? style tuning, not the horizontal ?sweep? tuning. The letter ?L? refers to the year of manufacture. ?L? would indicate 1954 not 1952. Now to really confuse you, the real L600 did not have a headphone jack in front as shown in the picture (it was on the rear of the chassis. So, this radio is either a R600/1955, T600/1956, or Y600/1957. There was no S,U,V, W,or X year designates. A600, and B600 radios (like N3iBX Joe?s) have a 4 to 9 MC band, where the R,S, and T series radios had the 4 to 8 MC band. By the way, on a good day this radio is worth $150.00 US. 
> 
> Bob Bennett A.K.A. - ?Radiowild?
> 
> Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Bill Zukowski <n2yeg at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
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From retevis at comcast.net  Wed Jun 15 23:05:11 2016
From: retevis at comcast.net (Retevis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:05:11 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Back to my original question. 

I wonder who they are buying them from and what they are paying them?

You should be selling to them. 

Best wishes. 
Bob

Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:03 PM, Pete Grave via NJARC <njarc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Just remember
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> _________________________________________________________
> Just remember its THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!!! Read by actors singers producers dope peddlers numbers writers pimps etc. Many of these people (they perhaps do not deserve the term) they none the less have lots of $$$$$$ and buy on a whim so its the bigger fool theory If you can catch a moron with money its a deal.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: extrablues <extrablues at nyc.rr.com>
> To: Robert Bennett <dino66 at optonline.net>
> Cc: NJARC <NJARC at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 10:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
> 
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Wow, those NY Times readers really know how to spend money. Maybe I should list my restored G500 for 3-grand! Ha!!
> 
> 
> > On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Robert Bennett <dino66 at optonline.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Just remember
> > Reply = Poster
> > Reply All = Everyone
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Well Bill -
> > Here?s the scoop. This IS a 600 series Trans-Oceanic. The 500 series (G500,H500) had ?airplane? style tuning, not the horizontal ?sweep? tuning. The letter ?L? refers to the year of manufacture. ?L? would indicate 1954 not 1952. Now to really confuse you, the real L600 did not have a headphone jack in front as shown in the picture (it was on the rear of the chassis. So, this radio is either a R600/1955, T600/1956, or Y600/1957. There was no S,U,V, W,or X year designates. A600, and B600 radios (like N3iBX Joe?s) have a 4 to 9 MC band, where the R,S, and T series radios had the 4 to 8 MC band. By the way, on a good day this radio is worth $150.00 US. 
> > 
> > Bob Bennett A.K.A. - ?Radiowild?
> > 
> > Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.
> > On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Bill Zukowski <n2yeg at optonline.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> Just remember
> >> Reply = Poster
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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:21:25 -0500 (CDT)
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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:33:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Strange, didn't realize that the Strato-World used the 1L6. ?I don't believe RCA made either the 1L6 or the predecessor, the 1LA6. ?I would have thought that RCA would have used all RCA tubes in the design. ?Guess the 1L6 ?had a wider frequency range then other battery powered pentagrid converters. ?Anyone know for sure?Jim

      From: N3IBX <n3ibx at verizon.net>
 To: dino66 at optonline.net 
Cc: NJARC at mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
   
Hello Bob and All,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I noticed in your salutation (which I really like!) that you state you are a "Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.".. ?A very wise man once told me to save any 1L6 I might happen to find and not try to peddle them on ebay or elsewhere. I have one used tested good one in my tube inventory that I found while going through my tubes one day which I did in fact hold on to.?
I picked up a RCA "Strato-World", Transoceanic clone sometime ago that I'm finally getting around to making it operational again. When purchased I discovered that it wasn't operational. Fast-Forward to the current time. When trying to diagnose it's problems and re-capping it I found it had a bad 1L6 in it. Luckily I remembered where I had my "used tested good" 1L6 and now the Strato-World now plays again.?
I'm glad I took that man's advice! Otherwise I may have had to pay more for one than I originally paid for the set.?
Just another 1L6 story. Thanks for reading it!
Best regards and save your 1L6's! Now for me to find another for my collection...................
Joe Cro N3IBX?

??On 06/15/16, Robert Bennett<dino66 at optonline.net> wrote:?Just remember
Reply = Poster
Reply All = Everyone

_________________________________________________________
Well Bill -
 Heres the scoop. This IS a 600 series Trans-Oceanic. The 500 series (G500,H500) had airplane style tuning, not the horizontal sweep tuning. The letter L refers to the year of manufacture. L would indicate 1954 not 1952. Now to really confuse you, the real L600 did not have a headphone jack in front as shown in the picture (it was on the rear of the chassis. So, this radio is either a R600/1955, T600/1956, or Y600/1957. There was no S,U,V, W,or X year designates. A600, and B600 radios (like N3iBX Joes) have a 4 to 9 MC band, where the R,S, and T series radios had the 4 to 8 MC band. By the way, on a good day this radio is worth $150.00 US. 

Bob Bennett A.K.A. - Radiowild

Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.
On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Bill Zukowski <n2yeg at optonline.net> wrote:

> Just remember
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From: n3ibx at verizon.net (N3IBX)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 02:14:52 -0500 (CDT)
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From dsnellman at comcast.net  Thu Jun 16 07:34:12 2016
From: dsnellman at comcast.net (David Snellman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 07:34:12 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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The Strato-World definitely did use a 1L6 - just the ZTO's. Not certain on the Hallicrafters. Hallicrafters did make another portable -the S72. That one has full coverage to 30 MHz along with a BFO. It did not use a 1L6. It used a 1R5. Had one of those sets and it worked rather well - even on the higher frequencies. 

Dave Snellman
DVHRC/NJARC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 2:33 AM, <antqradio at sbcglobal.net> <antqradio at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Strange, didn't realize that the Strato-World used the 1L6.  I don't believe RCA made either the 1L6 or the predecessor, the 1LA6.  I would have thought that RCA would have used all RCA tubes in the design.  Guess the 1L6  had a wider frequency range then other battery powered pentagrid converters.  Anyone know for sure?
> Jim
> 
> 
> From: N3IBX <n3ibx at verizon.net>
> To: dino66 at optonline.net 
> Cc: NJARC at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
> 
> Hello Bob and All,
>                                I noticed in your salutation (which I really like!) that you state you are a "Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector."..  A very wise man once told me to save any 1L6 I might happen to find and not try to peddle them on ebay or elsewhere. I have one used tested good one in my tube inventory that I found while going through my tubes one day which I did in fact hold on to. 
> 
> I picked up a RCA "Strato-World", Transoceanic clone sometime ago that I'm finally getting around to making it operational again. When purchased I discovered that it wasn't operational. Fast-Forward to the current time. When trying to diagnose it's problems and re-capping it I found it had a bad 1L6 in it. Luckily I remembered where I had my "used tested good" 1L6 and now the Strato-World now plays again. 
> 
> I'm glad I took that man's advice! Otherwise I may have had to pay more for one than I originally paid for the set. 
> 
> Just another 1L6 story. Thanks for reading it!
> 
> Best regards and save your 1L6's! Now for me to find another for my collection...................
> 
> Joe Cro N3IBX 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> On 06/15/16, Robert Bennett<dino66 at optonline.net> wrote:
>  
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Well Bill -
> Heres the scoop. This IS a 600 series Trans-Oceanic. The 500 series (G500,H500) had airplane style tuning, not the horizontal sweep tuning. The letter L refers to the year of manufacture. L would indicate 1954 not 1952. Now to really confuse you, the real L600 did not have a headphone jack in front as shown in the picture (it was on the rear of the chassis. So, this radio is either a R600/1955, T600/1956, or Y600/1957. There was no S,U,V, W,or X year designates. A600, and B600 radios (like N3iBX Joes) have a 4 to 9 MC band, where the R,S, and T series radios had the 4 to 8 MC band. By the way, on a good day this radio is worth $150.00 US. 
> 
> Bob Bennett A.K.A. - Radiowild
> 
> Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Bill Zukowski <n2yeg at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> > Just remember
> > Reply = Poster
> > Reply All = Everyone
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________
> > https://www.nytimes.com/store/zenith-500l-transoceanic-restored-antique-radio-1952.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=350170230&utm_content=collectibles_antiques%20&%20rarities&utm_term=RADIO446_Zenith%20500L%20Transoceanic%20Restored%20Antique%20Radio%20-%201952&mr:referralID=2b53f6d7-3323-11e6-8cb4-005056941669&gclid=Cj0KEQjw-YO7BRDwi6Stp7T296ABEiQAD6iWMVoemAczzZqMX135_W1wjigWuUcU330g8gLB2JEZAksaAh1S8P8HAQ
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From dino66 at optonline.net  Thu Jun 16 10:26:20 2016
From: dino66 at optonline.net (Robert Bennett)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:26:20 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] 1L6 Tubes
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More useless 1L6 info......

 

Chances were pretty good that if you owned  multi band portable in the
fifties, my estimate would be 60/40 your radio had one.

 

Dave the Hallicrafters TW-1000 and TW2000 used one. Neat radios, came in
stag and leather (looking) cases like Zenith.

 

Other sets included - 

 

Stromberg Carlson AWP-8 - Came in various color coverings. Had temperature
and humidity gauges as well.

 

Sears Silvertone 5226 and 5227.

 

Zenith G503 AM only portable - Don't know why Zenith did that? But they did!


 

I'm sure there's others. My brain ran out of memory for now..... Need a
"ram" upgrade lol!

 

Bob B.



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From dsnellman at comcast.net  Thu Jun 16 11:14:12 2016
From: dsnellman at comcast.net (Dave Snellman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:14:12 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] 1L6 Tubes
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Hi Bob, yes I remember the TW2000 (leather version of the TW1000) used 1L6.  Also, had a TW600 that used the same tube.  I have a couple of RCA sets, listed as "long distance" sets that used a 1L6 also - actually bought one for $20 just to get the 1L6!  All seem to work better on batteries than on AC. I know Zenith had a crappy AC power supply.   I liked the "turret-tuned" bandswitching arrangement used by Hallicrafters versus the "push-buttons" used by Zenith.  Also, RCA had a sweet-looking leather case.  Not certain why Zenith was more popular than the others, or why I sold off these look-a-likes and kept the Zeniths...

Dave Snellman

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> On Jun 16, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Robert Bennett <dino66 at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Just remember
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> 
> _________________________________________________________
> More useless 1L6 info......
>  
> Chances were pretty good that if you owned  multi band portable in the fifties, my estimate would be 60/40 your radio had one.
>  
> Dave the Hallicrafters TW-1000 and TW2000 used one. Neat radios, came in stag and leather (looking) cases like Zenith.
>  
> Other sets included -
>  
> Stromberg Carlson AWP-8 - Came in various color coverings. Had temperature and humidity gauges as well.
>  
> Sears Silvertone 5226 and 5227.
>  
> Zenith G503 AM only portable - Don't know why Zenith did that? But they did!
>  
> I'm sure there's others. My brain ran out of memory for now..... Need a "ram" upgrade lol!
>  
> Bob B.
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From n3ibx at verizon.net  Thu Jun 16 11:26:59 2016
From: n3ibx at verizon.net (N3IBX)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:26:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NJARC] 1L6 Tubes
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From jwkoest at charter.net  Thu Jun 16 14:44:34 2016
From: jwkoest at charter.net (Joe Koester)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:44:34 -0500
Subject: [NJARC] 1L6 Tubes
In-Reply-To: <A557296A-0F43-4B5E-A54F-4E0EA127CA78@comcast.net>
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All this talk on 1L6's and Zenith TO's reminds me that I need a couple of
parts to complete an early Zenith "Bomber" TO.

Looking for:
1. an escutcheon that covers the tone control buttons
2. A rod antenna
3. A wavemagnet antenna
4. A front cover

Help with any of these would be greatly appreciated.

Joe Koester (jwkoest at charter.net)


-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Snellman
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: Robert Bennett
Cc: NJARC at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] 1L6 Tubes

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From radiorich at prodigy.net  Thu Jun 16 18:05:03 2016
From: radiorich at prodigy.net (radiorich)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:05:03 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin in hospice
Message-ID: <g2v4j6n7utg6lpp7epkw1tym.1466114703343@email.android.com>

Greetings Fellow Enthusiasts...just to inform you that Jerry is now in hospice care. I spoke with Marsha, he is not suffering...keep him and Marsha in your thoughts....Richard Lee Pres. NJARC


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From ahunter01 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 16 18:16:09 2016
From: ahunter01 at comcast.net (Aaron Hunter)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:16:09 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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I have a Silvertone 7226 Wayfarer that uses the 1L6.  Manufactured by 
Warwick Electronics Inc.

Several years ago, I purchased at auction, a 500 series T/O missing the 
front cover.  But it had all its tubes plus the spares.  Be my luck that 
both 1L6s are bad. 

Aaron Hunter

N3IBX wrote:
> Just remember
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>
> _________________________________________________________
>   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Jim,
>        I second your query on the Strato-World using the 1L6. I think 
> RCA made two versions of the set, and the one I have is the earlier 
> one, model # 3-BX-671 from 1954. 
>
> I'm curious if the Hallicrafters T/O knockoff also used the IL6 
> pentagrid converter as well. I remember being over Bob Bennett's house 
> and seeing a real knocked-out beauty of one in his radio workshop at 
> the time. The set Bob had there had real "eye-appeal", but am now 
> curious if it had the aforementioned pentagrid converter in it.
>
>  Speaking of the Transoceanic, I think Bob also had the brown leather 
> version that may have been a A600, or a R600. I forget which variant 
> it was at the present time. It was the first one I remember seeing of 
> it's kind and left a real positive impression on me. 
>
> Best regards,
>                     Joe Cro N3IBX
>  
>  
> On 06/16/16, antqradio at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>  
> Strange, didn't realize that the Strato-World used the 1L6.  I don't 
> believe RCA made either the 1L6 or the predecessor, the 1LA6.  I would 
> have thought that RCA would have used all RCA tubes in the design. 
>  Guess the 1L6  had a wider frequency range then other battery powered 
> pentagrid converters.  Anyone know for sure?
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* N3IBX <n3ibx at verizon.net <mailto:n3ibx at verizon.net>>
> *To:* dino66 at optonline.net <mailto:dino66 at optonline.net>
> *Cc:* NJARC at mailman.qth.net <mailto:NJARC at mailman.qth.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:21 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
>
> Hello Bob and All,
>                                I noticed in your salutation (which I 
> really like!) that you state you are a "Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast 
> and 1L6 collector."..  A very wise man once told me to save any 1L6 I 
> might happen to find and not try to peddle them on ebay or elsewhere. 
> I have one used tested good one in my tube inventory that I found 
> while going through my tubes one day which I did in fact hold on to. 
>
> I picked up a RCA "Strato-World", Transoceanic clone sometime ago that 
> I'm finally getting around to making it operational again. When 
> purchased I discovered that it wasn't operational. Fast-Forward to the 
> current time. When trying to diagnose it's problems and re-capping it 
> I found it had a bad 1L6 in it. Luckily I remembered where I had my 
> "used tested good" 1L6 and now the Strato-World now plays again. 
>
> I'm glad I took that man's advice! Otherwise I may have had to pay 
> more for one than I originally paid for the set. 
>
> Just another 1L6 story. Thanks for reading it!
>
> Best regards and save your 1L6's! Now for me to find another for my 
> collection...................
>
> Joe Cro N3IBX 
>
>
>  
>  
> On 06/15/16, Robert Bennett<dino66 at optonline.net 
> <mailto:dino66 at optonline.net>> wrote:
>  
> Just remember
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>
> _________________________________________________________
> Well Bill -
> Heres the scoop. This IS a 600 series Trans-Oceanic. The 500 series 
> (G500,H500) had airplane style tuning, not the horizontal sweep 
> tuning. The letter L refers to the year of manufacture. L would 
> indicate 1954 not 1952. Now to really confuse you, the real L600 did 
> not have a headphone jack in front as shown in the picture (it was on 
> the rear of the chassis. So, this radio is either a R600/1955, 
> T600/1956, or Y600/1957. There was no S,U,V, W,or X year designates. 
> A600, and B600 radios (like N3iBX Joes) have a 4 to 9 MC band, where 
> the R,S, and T series radios had the 4 to 8 MC band. By the way, on a 
> good day this radio is worth $150.00 US.
>
> Bob Bennett A.K.A. - Radiowild
>
> Tube Trans-Oceanic enthusiast and 1L6 collector.
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Bill Zukowski <n2yeg at optonline.net 
> <mailto:n2yeg at optonline.net>> wrote:
>
> > Just remember
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> https://www.nytimes.com/store/zenith-500l-transoceanic-restored-antique-radio-1952.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=350170230&utm_content=collectibles_antiques%20&%20rarities&utm_term=RADIO446_Zenith%20500L%20Transoceanic%20Restored%20Antique%20Radio%20-%201952&mr:referralID=2b53f6d7-3323-11e6-8cb4-005056941669&gclid=Cj0KEQjw-YO7BRDwi6Stp7T296ABEiQAD6iWMVoemAczzZqMX135_W1wjigWuUcU330g8gLB2JEZAksaAh1S8P8HAQ 
> <https://www.nytimes.com/store/zenith-500l-transoceanic-restored-antique-radio-1952.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=350170230&utm_content=collectibles_antiques%20&%20rarities&utm_term=RADIO446_Zenith%20500L%20Transoceanic%20Restored%20Antique%20Radio%20-%201952&mr:referralID=2b53f6d7-3323-11e6-8cb4-005056941669&gclid=Cj0KEQjw-YO7BRDwi6Stp7T296ABEiQAD6iWMVoemAczzZqMX135_W1wjigWuUcU330g8gLB2JEZAksaAh1S8P8HAQ>
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From ahunter01 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 16 18:26:07 2016
From: ahunter01 at comcast.net (Aaron Hunter)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:26:07 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] another overpriced radio from the NY Times
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Forgot to say, I only paid $15 for the T/O.  Paid too much for the 
Silvertone, but don't remember now how much.  Might have been $25 but 
missing both antennas.  Bummer.

Aaron

Aaron Hunter wrote:
>
> I have a Silvertone 7226 Wayfarer that uses the 1L6.  Manufactured by 
> Warwick Electronics Inc.
>
> Several years ago, I purchased at auction, a 500 series T/O missing 
> the front cover.  But it had all its tubes plus the spares.  Be my 
> luck that both 1L6s are bad. 
>
> Aaron Hunter
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From n3ibx at verizon.net  Thu Jun 16 18:37:27 2016
From: n3ibx at verizon.net (N3IBX)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:37:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NJARC] RCA Strato-World wavemagnet antenna WTB:
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From jameskishi at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 17 08:27:36 2016
From: jameskishi at yahoo.com (James Kishi)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkins
References: <1780055351.5178675.1466166456590.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1780055351.5178675.1466166456590.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Wishing Jerry and Marsha all the best.

Sincerely,
Ken

From ark at ar88.net  Fri Jun 17 09:14:07 2016
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:14:07 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge
Message-ID: <5bea9124-4760-2b04-5040-8d484785fe0c@ar88.net>

Folks,

This picture has been kicking around the Web for some time, but there 
seems to be no credible information about it.



  * Are these guys German or French or what?
  * Military or police?
  * What does the sign say?
  * Can you identify the equipment or tube type?
  * What exactly is going on?

-- 
Al Klase ? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/

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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 17 09:27:34 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:27:34 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge
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Well, you are asking the right questions, and therefore evidently narrowed
your search. I too have seen the photo often and wondered. It of course
looks military, and to me like French, German, Austrian, Hungarian by the
uniform. I cannot read the writing, but, the few letters look French to me.
Of course, as you know, the tubes are typical  European style of the early
'20s. Sorry, it appears I did not help at all. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 

-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Klase
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:14 AM
To: NJARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge

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From radiorich at prodigy.net  Fri Jun 17 09:36:53 2016
From: radiorich at prodigy.net (radiorich)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:36:53 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
Message-ID: <jupou6y264gismehfox3h9mq.1466170613338@email.android.com>

Greetings fellow enthusiasts.....Jerry passed away last night.....Thank You Jerry for being a founding member of the NJARC...you will ?be remembered!...Richard Lee Pres.NJARC


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From jwkoest at charter.net  Fri Jun 17 10:01:39 2016
From: jwkoest at charter.net (Joe Koester)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:01:39 -0500
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
In-Reply-To: <jupou6y264gismehfox3h9mq.1466170613338@email.android.com>
References: <jupou6y264gismehfox3h9mq.1466170613338@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <000f01d1c8a0$c5613620$5023a260$@charter.net>

So sorry to hear of Jerry's passing.  I met he and Marsha many years ago at
a meeting of the Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club in Maryland.  He may have
visited my home and saw a Walton set that I was so proud of.  Next time I
saw him he gave me some sheet music from the Waltons to go with the radio.
Very thoughtful and a very nice fellow.  RIP

-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of radiorich
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 8:37 AM
To: Reflector
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin

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From radiograveyard at aol.com  Fri Jun 17 10:18:41 2016
From: radiograveyard at aol.com (radiograveyard at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:18:41 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
In-Reply-To: <jupou6y264gismehfox3h9mq.1466170613338@email.android.com>
References: <jupou6y264gismehfox3h9mq.1466170613338@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1555eba6259-5f35-d19@webprd-m55.mail.aol.com>

God Speed Jerry may you rest in peace you will be missed Jan & Pete
 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: radiorich <radiorich at prodigy.net>
To: Reflector <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2016 9:37 am
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin

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Greetings fellow enthusiasts.....Jerry passed away last night.....Thank You Jerry for being a founding member of the NJARC...you will  be remembered!...Richard Lee Pres.NJARC





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From raydio862 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 17 12:22:46 2016
From: raydio862 at verizon.net (Raymond F Chase)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:22:46 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge
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I have seen that picture around and others in a similar vein on postcards.
I would classify it as a "fantasy" picture staged in the early days of
radio/wireless as a spoof or possibly a lighthearted prediction of what was
to come.
Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Klase
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:14 AM
To: NJARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge

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From n2yeg at optonline.net  Fri Jun 17 12:29:26 2016
From: n2yeg at optonline.net (Bill Zukowski)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:29:26 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge
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It's a candidate for some creative captions.

Here's an idea - how about submissions to Marvin, for the Reflector,  of 
early radio pictures with humorous captions.

Bill


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> I have seen that picture around and others in a similar vein on postcards.
> I would classify it as a "fantasy" picture staged in the early days of
> radio/wireless as a spoof or possibly a lighthearted prediction of what was
> to come.
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
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From ark at ar88.net  Fri Jun 17 12:29:36 2016
From: ark at ar88.net (Al Klase)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:29:36 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge
In-Reply-To: <15667906.1263981.1466170526537.JavaMail.root@vznit170116.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <15667906.1263981.1466170526537.JavaMail.root@vznit170116.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <acce19f4-104f-770c-58e8-e0d23c95b73a@ar88.net>

Please "REPLY ALL" on these so the group can digest them.  - Al


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Picture Challenge
Date: 	Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:35:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: 	N3IBX <n3ibx at verizon.net>
To: 	ark at ar88.net



Hello Al,
                I too  have wondered about the very picture in question. 
I've seen it on various websites for a few years now. I'd take a "SWAG" 
that it was French, but can't quite make out the writing on it. Possibly 
the large eagle may signify that it iis from the old Ottoman Empire, 
"Austria-Hungary", I really don't know.

The radio set looks to be from the 1920's, the way it is built, but the 
picture itself has WW1 written all over it. I think it os too advanced 
to be from WWI though and looks to be something made in the early 1920's.

The tubes look to me to be of the "LS" variety. Another SWAG on my part.

Please let me know if you find out anything about it.

With the help of Goprdon,W3GK, I got my FB-XA and accompanying PSK 
preselector working very well. You can even copy SSB signals pretty 
fairly on it. Sensitivity is about 1 microvolt on AM and CW, not too 
shabby says I!

I hope all is well.

Best regards,
Joe
On 06/17/16, Al Klase<ark at ar88.net> wrote:
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Folks,

This picture has been kicking around the Web for some time, but there
seems to be no credible information about it.



* Are these guys German or French or what?
* Military or police?
* What does the sign say?
* Can you identify the equipment or tube type?
* What exactly is going on?

-- 
Al Klase ??? N3FRQ
Jersey City, NJ
http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/


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Folks,

This picture has been kicking around the Web for some time, but there 
seems to be no credible information about it.



  * Are these guys German or French or what?
  * Military or police?
  * What does the sign say?
  * Can you identify the equipment or tube type?
  * What exactly is going on?

-- Al Klase ? N3FRQJersey City, NJhttp://www.skywaves.ar88.net/


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From n2yeg at optonline.net  Fri Jun 17 12:32:33 2016
From: n2yeg at optonline.net (Bill Zukowski)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:32:33 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge
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It's a candidate for some creative captions.

Here's an idea - how about submissions to Marvin, for the Reflector,  of 
early radio pictures with humorous captions.

Bill


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> I have seen that picture around and others in a similar vein on postcards.
> I would classify it as a "fantasy" picture staged in the early days of
> radio/wireless as a spoof or possibly a lighthearted prediction of what was
> to come.
> Ray
>
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From a.b.magoun at ieee.org  Fri Jun 17 12:32:00 2016
From: a.b.magoun at ieee.org (Alex Magoun)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:32:00 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Picture Challenge
Message-ID: <CAE4f=-7Z_a-W15iEqvynSkyheBmbRB5v8u4tqSfRdng_trY_vQ@mail.gmail.com>

Al,

Since the fellow on the right could be inspector Clouseau's father, I'm
inclined to think it's French, from either WWI or shortly after.  Another
French radio with four tubes is here,
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/inconnu_receive_4_tmc_valves.html, originally
from the April-May 1920 issue of the French magazine, La Science et La Vie (
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6545435n/f42.item.r=.zoom, go to p.
424 within the long article on "The Progress of TSF [Transmission sans Fil,
or wireless transmission] during the War" that starts on p. 413).  The set
in your mystery photo also doesn't seem to be on the Radiomuseum's page of
French military radios either:
http://www.radiomuseum.org/m/mil-fr_f_en_1.html.

Searches using my proprietary collection of multilingual search terms
didn't come close to finding your photo, so it's back in your court!

best, Alex

~~~
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From a.b.magoun at ieee.org  Fri Jun 17 12:40:41 2016
From: a.b.magoun at ieee.org (Alex Magoun)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:40:41 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
Message-ID: <CAE4f=-6mS3LzGwZj6qpw+gtzr2xKvsXfZ5bj4dPkibSM9ynEHA@mail.gmail.com>

I always appreciated Jerry's helpfulness, with and without his devoted
Marsha. How he found the books and publications he offered without using
the internet is a marvel and mystery of human ingenuity. Together he and
Marsha were warm companions at the Antiques Wireless Association meetings,
and they were not only founding members of the NJARC, but the first paying
Friends of the David Sarnoff Library, for which I was deeply grateful.
Thank you, Jerry, for all that you've been and done.

Alex
~~~
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From salb203 at aol.com  Fri Jun 17 12:53:41 2016
From: salb203 at aol.com (Sal Brisindi)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:53:41 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
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May you rest in peace Jerry and my condolences to Marsha. 

Sal 

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Sent: ?6/?17/?2016 9:37 AM
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Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin

Greetings fellow enthusiasts.....Jerry passed away last night.....Thank You Jerry for being a founding member of the NJARC...you will  be remembered!...Richard Lee Pres.NJARC




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From nyc.tomas.1010 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 13:20:53 2016
From: nyc.tomas.1010 at gmail.com (Tomas L)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 13:20:53 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] WW ONE spy radio
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*http://earlyradiohistory.us/1917spy.htm
<http://earlyradiohistory.us/1917spy.htm>The Electrical Experimenter*,
June, 1917, page 110:
*Remarkable  Radio  Outfit  Built  By  German  Spy* [image: Max Wax]
    A LITTLE black box of mystery, seized recently by the police in the
belief that it was nothing more than a modern adaptation of a time worn
contrivance for swindling unsophisticated persons out of their savings, was
revealed as a clever wireless telegraph outfit, capable of receiving
messages from as far away as Berlin.
    Police and government experts who examined the mechanism in the box
declared it to be as perfect in construction as any they ever had seen. It
is (or was) the property of Max Hans Ludwig Wax, a German citizen, and
graduate of the University of Berlin. Wax, as soon as he found the police
had learned the real nature of the intricate contents of the box, assumed
an air of stolid indifference, denied he knew the box could be of service
either in sending or receiving telegraph messages or that he knew anything
of telegraphy, and asserted that apparently useless bits of paraphernalia
contained in the box had been placed there by him merely to make the
contrivance "look pretty."
    Then, the police say, Wax informed prospective dupes that the little
black box contained machinery devised by German scientists for reproducing
American banknotes and currency bills. If he would place a one-thousand
dollar bill in the "press" inside the box the contrivance would print ten
duplicates of that bill. It then was the duty of the "loyal" German, the
police say they were informed, to pass the spurious notes off for American
gold, so that eventually this country would be flooded with counterfeit
notes and persons loyal to Germany would be in possession of most of this
country's gold.
    Just after Wax was arrested the police learned that he had left the box
in a machine shop in New York City. The police finally located the box in a
trunk which they said was equipt with a false bottom. It was not until
Sergeant Pierce, in charge of the police wireless station, rigged up as
part of the scheme for military defence by Arthur Woods, Police
Commissioner, looked at the contrivance that it was recognized as a genuine
and extremely effective portable wireless outfit.
    The box is about two and a half feet square. It is covered with black
enamel and has silver handles and brass hinges and clasp. It must have cost
at least $800, according to the estimate of experts.
    As soon as Sergeant Pierce recognized the use to which the queer
arrangement might be put the outfit was rigged up, its batteries were set
in motion, and in a moment the hissing sounds and sputtering and flashing
sparks that attend the operation of a wireless outfit were in evidence.
    Wax persisted, despite the effectiveness of this demonstration, in his
assertion that the batteries, tiny dynamo and intricate coils were placed
in the box by him to make the apparatus "look pretty." Eventually he said
he intended to use them to give color to a motion picture scenario he
intended to write.
    Persistent questioning, however, drew from Wax, according to the police
statement, the admission that he, having bought the materials, the box and
its outfit were put together for him by a seaman on board one of the
interned German ships lying at Hoboken. He refused to reveal the identity
of the man, asserting he knew him only as "Frank" and had met him only a
few times.
    When the examination of Wax had proceeded that far L. R. Krumm, chief
radio officer of the federal government for the New York district, arrived
at Police Headquarters. He examined the machinery contained in the box
carefully and then verified Sergeant Pierce's declaration that it was a
wireless outfit of great strength. He agreed with Sergeant Pierce that the
apparatus was easily capable of receiving messages from as far away as
Berlin. Both experts, however, declared the apparatus probably could not be
used to send a message much farther than one hundred miles.
    Despite the readiness with which Mr. Krumm and the police wireless
operators were able to set the wireless outfit in motion, many contrivances
in the box were a mystery to them. It appeared as if there were three sets
of batteries, where only one was necessary. The operators exprest the
belief, however, that any one of the three battery sets might have been
connected with the rest of the apparatus, so that, even if two batteries
failed, there still would be power to keep the contrivance in operation.
    The only incomplete thing about the outfit was that the police were
unable to find a sending key and a transformer, both of which would be
necessary if the machine were to be used for sending wireless messages.
Wax, however, is described by persons who stayed in the house where he
lived as having been in the habit of carrying a small hand grip. The grip
has not yet been found.
    After the police were satisfied of the nature of the equipment in the
box they asked Wax to operate it. He fingered several parts of the
mechanism for a moment or two and finally succeeded in causing a short
circuit, which effectually put the whole thing out of commission. The
damage, however, can be repaired easily.
    In the examination of Wax the police drew from him the statement that
he came to this country from Germany in June, 1914.
    He denied he had served in the German army, asserting he was rejected
for military service because he had a weak heart. Dr. Baker and Dr.
Hamilton, police surgeons, were called in to examine the prisoner. They
pronounced him an almost perfect physical specimen and said there was no
indication that he ever had suffered from heart disease.
    Considerable interest was manifested by the police and federal
investigators in papers and letters found in Wax's possession. They
declared some were written in code. All of them were in duplicate. One of
the papers, according to the police, was a draft for $12,000 and another
was for 2,300 marks. The latter was drawn on the Deutsche Bank, of Berlin.
It was declared by the police that Wax received some of these papers thru
the office of the German Consul in this city several weeks ago. The money,
the police said they learned, was sent to Wax by relatives in Germany, who
the prisoner declared were both wealthy and influential there.
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From retevis at comcast.net  Fri Jun 17 16:17:48 2016
From: retevis at comcast.net (Retevis)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:17:48 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge
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Hey Joe

My Austrian friends might object to calling Austria -Hungary the old Ottoman Empire. I think they kicked those guys out quite a long time ago. 

Best wishes. 
Bob Tevis

Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Al Klase <ark at ar88.net> wrote:
> 
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
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> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Please "REPLY ALL" on these so the group can digest them.  - Al
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Picture Challenge
> Date:	Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:35:26 -0500 (CDT)
> From:	N3IBX <n3ibx at verizon.net>
> To:	ark at ar88.net
> 
> Hello Al,
>                I too  have wondered about the very picture in question. I've seen it on various websites for a few years           now. I'd take a "SWAG" that it was French, but can't quite make out the writing on it. Possibly the large eagle may signify that it iis from the old Ottoman Empire, "Austria-Hungary", I really don't know. 
> 
> The radio set looks to be from the 1920's, the way it is built, but the picture itself has WW1 written all over it. I think it os too advanced to be from WWI though and looks to be something made in the early 1920's. 
> 
> The tubes look to me to be of the "LS" variety. Another SWAG on my part. 
> 
> Please let me know if you find out anything about it. 
> 
> With the help of Goprdon,W3GK, I got my FB-XA and accompanying PSK preselector working very well. You can even copy SSB signals pretty fairly on it. Sensitivity is about 1 microvolt on AM and CW, not too shabby says I!
> 
> I hope all is well.  
> 
> Best regards,
> Joe
>  
>  
> On 06/17/16, Al Klase<ark at ar88.net> wrote:
>  
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> This picture has been kicking around the Web for some time, but there 
> seems to be no credible information about it.
> 
> 
> 
> * Are these guys German or French or what?
> * Military or police?
> * What does the sign say?
> * Can you identify the equipment or tube type?
> * What exactly is going on?
> 
> -- 
> Al Klase ??? N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> 
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> This picture has been kicking around the Web for some time, but there seems to be no credible information about it.
> 
> 
> 
> Are these guys German or French or what?
> Military or police?
> What does the sign say?
> Can you identify the equipment or tube type?
> What exactly is going on?
> -- Al Klase ? N3FRQJersey City, NJhttp://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
> 
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From retevis at comcast.net  Fri Jun 17 16:19:16 2016
From: retevis at comcast.net (Retevis)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:19:16 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
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Also sad for me as I never got to know him well since I've only been in the club a short while. May he rest in peace. 
Bob Tevis

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:36 AM, radiorich <radiorich at prodigy.net> wrote:
> 
> Just remember
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> Greetings fellow enthusiasts.....Jerry passed away last night.....Thank You Jerry for being a founding member of the NJARC...you will  be remembered!...Richard Lee Pres.NJARC
> 
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From vlobosco at comcast.net  Fri Jun 17 19:13:18 2016
From: vlobosco at comcast.net (vlobosco at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:13:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
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Sorry to hear about Jerrys passing. May he rest in peace. Best wishes to Marsha. 
Vince Lobosco 

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From: "radiorich" <radiorich at prodigy.net> 
To: "Reflector" <njarc at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:36:53 AM 
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin 

Just remember 
Reply = Poster 
Reply All = Everyone 

_________________________________________________________ 

Greetings fellow enthusiasts.....Jerry passed away last night.....Thank You Jerry for being a founding member of the NJARC...you will be remembered!...Richard Lee Pres.NJARC 


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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 17 21:39:50 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 21:39:50 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge
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Well, I was born in Hungary in 1945 and came here as a refugee in 1956. My
father hated the Russians since his brother died in the Russian front during
WWI.  Hungarians were forced into German occupation towards the end of the
war. Does that mean I hate the Russians? The answer is no. No one choses
where they are born and the world has been here a long time. I do not
dislike anyone as long as they are decent human beings. I feel sorry for
your friends who still hold any grudge, especially when they were not even a
part of it. Regards - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Retevis
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 4:18 PM
To: Al Klase
Cc: NJARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge

Just remember
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From retevis at comcast.net  Fri Jun 17 22:59:21 2016
From: retevis at comcast.net (Retevis)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:59:21 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge
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I'm sorry if you did not understand my remark. I was being facetious--trying to point out that historically the Austria-Hungary Empire in even our grandparents era was not Ottoman. It was the Ottomans who attempted to take it over. I'm sure in reality they hold no grudges. As I certainly treasure my Austrian and German friends whose grandparents may have been in the wars against us. I agree with your statement that we must all put aside animosities if we intend to survive as a civilization. 

No harm intended by my remark and certainly none should have been implied. 

Best wishes.
Bob

Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:39 PM, Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I was born in Hungary in 1945 and came here as a refugee in 1956. My
> father hated the Russians since his brother died in the Russian front during
> WWI.  Hungarians were forced into German occupation towards the end of the
> war. Does that mean I hate the Russians? The answer is no. No one choses
> where they are born and the world has been here a long time. I do not
> dislike anyone as long as they are decent human beings. I feel sorry for
> your friends who still hold any grudge, especially when they were not even a
> part of it. Regards - Mike 
> 
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Retevis
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 4:18 PM
> To: Al Klase
> Cc: NJARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge
> 
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> 


From n4fs at eozinc.com  Fri Jun 17 23:24:26 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:24:26 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge
In-Reply-To: <F9351F3D-DE52-4E94-BB13-5AA161D41AF5@comcast.net>
References: <15667906.1263981.1466170526537.JavaMail.root@vznit170116.mailsrvcs.net>
	<acce19f4-104f-770c-58e8-e0d23c95b73a@ar88.net>
	<D8C8A434-E06A-4B54-93A4-1066C1FC1408@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <02b401d1c910$ebd612b0$c3823810$@eozinc.com>

Bob -

I do not believe I know you, but I understand and appreciate your reply. My
reply to your initial post was also not meant be incendiary. Just an opinion
from my perspective BTW, re-reading my reply, I see I typed WWI, where I
really meant to type WWII. . Regards - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 


-----Original Message-----
From: Retevis [mailto:retevis at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:59 PM
To: Mike Feher
Cc: Al Klase; NJARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge

I'm sorry if you did not understand my remark. I was being facetious--trying
to point out that historically the Austria-Hungary Empire in even our
grandparents era was not Ottoman. It was the Ottomans who attempted to take
it over. I'm sure in reality they hold no grudges. As I certainly treasure
my Austrian and German friends whose grandparents may have been in the wars
against us. I agree with your statement that we must all put aside
animosities if we intend to survive as a civilization. 

No harm intended by my remark and certainly none should have been implied. 

Best wishes.
Bob

Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:39 PM, Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I was born in Hungary in 1945 and came here as a refugee in 
> 1956. My father hated the Russians since his brother died in the 
> Russian front during WWI.  Hungarians were forced into German 
> occupation towards the end of the war. Does that mean I hate the 
> Russians? The answer is no. No one choses where they are born and the 
> world has been here a long time. I do not dislike anyone as long as 
> they are decent human beings. I feel sorry for your friends who still 
> hold any grudge, especially when they were not even a part of it. 
> Regards - Mike
> 
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Retevis
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 4:18 PM
> To: Al Klase
> Cc: NJARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Fwd: Picture Challenge
> 
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> 


From dporay at optimum.net  Sat Jun 18 07:36:59 2016
From: dporay at optimum.net (doug poray)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:36:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NJARC] Jerry Simkin
In-Reply-To: <jupou6y264gismehfox3h9mq.1466170613338@email.android.com>
References: <jupou6y264gismehfox3h9mq.1466170613338@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <4965169d.6dafb.155634cb7bb.Webtop.36@optimum.net>


My thoughts and prayers go out to Marsha. I will remember Jerry for his 
vast knowledge of radio history and for the old books and magazines he 
collected.
Doug Poray

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 09:36 AM, radiorich wrote:
Just remember

Reply = Posoter

Reply All = Everyone



_________________________________________________________


Greetings fellow enthusiasts.....Jerry passed away last night.....Thank 
You Jerry for being a founding member of the NJARC...you will ?be 
remembered!...Richard Lee Pres.NJARC




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From w2ads at verizon.net  Mon Jun 27 18:47:58 2016
From: w2ads at verizon.net (Al Schapira)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:47:58 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Adams-Morgan Paragon Six
Message-ID: <1467067678.2303.10.camel@verizon.net>

I have acquired what I believe to be an Adams-Morgan Paragon Type Six.
Its a 6-tube TRF. None of the A-M ads I've seen (and I have plenty) nor
the Douglas book show anything like it.
There are no manufactures marks on anything other than on some of the
mica grid-leak capacitors. 

I inspected the tube sockets, knobs, dials, etc... nothing to identify
a manufacturer other than "Paragon Six" on the front panel and
"Paragon" on the meter face.  Pretty rare to see a meter on a set this
old. Don't know whether its for tuning or A-voltage adjustment.

The tuning includes two ganged stages coupled with a string pulley
system -- like a synchrophase. See PICT3185.

Its clear that someone "has been in there" before I got it, as many of
the bus wires are unattached and there are some pencil marks underneath
the tube sockets.  The C-battery (looks like a D-cell) is still there!

Could it be a prototype that A-M never got into production? 

There was no cabinet.  I've never seen a set with curved  metal side
rails before. (See PICT3185 again)

Has anyone got any more info on the A-M Type Six?  Anything would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

  --Al, W2ADS

PS I live in Montclair, NJ where the Adams-Morgan Company was located. 
 That explains my interest in A-M products.

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From n3ibx at verizon.net  Mon Jun 27 20:15:00 2016
From: n3ibx at verizon.net (N3IBX)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:15:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NJARC] Adams-Morgan Paragon Six
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From w2ads at verizon.net  Mon Jun 27 21:54:43 2016
From: w2ads at verizon.net (Al Schapira)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:54:43 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Adams-Morgan Paragon Six
In-Reply-To: <12884679.1590792.1467072900739.JavaMail.root@vms170025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <12884679.1590792.1467072900739.JavaMail.root@vms170025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <1467078883.2303.34.camel@verizon.net>

Hi Joe,
Thanks for your message and interest in the A-M Six.  Through the
Antique Radio Forum, I have found a reference to this set: See   
https://www.radioace.com/node/159
You can see the same tuning dials and knobs as on mine.

The Adams-Morgan Company operated in Montclair NJ from roughly 1912
through 1929.  I have several of their sets built in the early 20's.
They tended to number their Paragon models in order so I guess the
"Six" was made near the end of their existence.
My set is cannibalized so I can't tell for sure what the circuitry was
supposed to be, which is why I would love to get a schematic and/or
pictures of its innards.
I'll try to keep you up-to-date on progress with this set.
Thanks again for your interest.  73
	-Al, W2ADS
        www.gamma-five.com
On Mon, 2016-06-27 at 19:15 -0500, N3IBX wrote:
> Hello Al, Many thanks for posting the pictures and information about
> your "Paragton" 6 tube TRF set. It is very interesting indeed. I
> don't claim to be any sort of expert on these things, but I see a few
> points of interest that may or may not be irregularaties with your
> receiver. 
> 
> To begin with, it looks like your set was built in 1923 or 1924 based
> upon the three RF stages and a few other points. I wonder if there is
> a neutralizing condensor for each of the three stages? Just curious.
> Also, the two main tuning dials look like they would be from the
> period above. I can't think of the name of them offhand, but I don't
> think they were used by Adams-Morgan. They may be proprietary or
> added later.  
> 
> One very interesting point is the meter on the front panel. It sports
> two scales, one for "A" battery voltage, and then a another scale for
> "B" battery voltage with demarkations for various voltages. The meter
> also has "Paragon" imprinted on it. 
> 
> Another point of interest is the tuning system used. I think it is
> very advanced for the time. The first two RF stages may be the coarse
> or main tuner and ganged together, with the third being a fine tuning
> control. Just a wild guess on my part. 
> 
> I wonder how long Adams-Morgan was in business and what year they
> went out of business. This may give a clue as to the year the set was
> made.  
> 
> Unfortunately I probably didn't help with the identity of the set you
> have, just possibly raised more questions about it. I'm interested in
> seeing what other NJARC members have to say about it. 
> 
> Very best regards,
> Joe Cro N3IBX 
>  
>  
> 
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From n4fs at eozinc.com  Mon Jun 27 22:04:07 2016
From: n4fs at eozinc.com (Mike Feher)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:04:07 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Adams-Morgan Paragon Six
In-Reply-To: <12884679.1590792.1467072900739.JavaMail.root@vms170025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <12884679.1590792.1467072900739.JavaMail.root@vms170025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <00e201d1d0e1$5b6ffd20$124ff760$@eozinc.com>

Al -

Hate to disagree with brother Joe, but, this set is more from the later '20s
than the early 20's. Easily seen by the tuning verniers shown as well as the
addition of a meter. The inside layout also is a big clue. 73 - Mike 

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 

-----Original Message-----
From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N3IBX
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:15 PM
To: w2ads at verizon.net; njarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NJARC] Adams-Morgan Paragon Six

Just remember
Reply = Poster
Reply All = Everyone

_________________________________________________________


From w2ads at verizon.net  Mon Jun 27 22:11:02 2016
From: w2ads at verizon.net (Al Schapira)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:11:02 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Adams-Morgan Paragon Six
In-Reply-To: <00e201d1d0e1$5b6ffd20$124ff760$@eozinc.com>
References: <12884679.1590792.1467072900739.JavaMail.root@vms170025.mailsrvcs.net>
	<00e201d1d0e1$5b6ffd20$124ff760$@eozinc.com>
Message-ID: <1467079862.2303.36.camel@verizon.net>

Thanks, Mike.

Agreed.  See my posting which crossed yours in the mail. --Al

On Mon, 2016-06-27 at 22:04 -0400, Mike Feher wrote:
> Al -
> 
> Hate to disagree with brother Joe, but, this set is more from the
> later '20s
> than the early 20's. Easily seen by the tuning verniers shown as well
> as the
> addition of a meter. The inside layout also is a big clue. 73 - Mike 
> 
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
> 89 Arnold Blvd.
> Howell, NJ, 07731
> 732-886-5960 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N3IBX
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:15 PM
> To: w2ads at verizon.net; njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Adams-Morgan Paragon Six
> 
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> 

From dino66 at optonline.net  Wed Jun 29 15:58:13 2016
From: dino66 at optonline.net (Robert Bennett)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:58:13 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Got Money?
Message-ID: <47135970-54AD-4301-BBB9-87D9E7D58500@optonline.net>

You knew this was going to happen sooner or later! Well it?s time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5A-e5ENEDc


Bob Bennett
KC2RDU

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From dino66 at optonline.net  Thu Jun 30 10:46:52 2016
From: dino66 at optonline.net (Robert Bennett)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:46:52 -0400
Subject: [NJARC] Got Money
Message-ID: <000001d1d2de$3d53cd90$b7fb68b0$@net>

Sorry folks for the wrong link. This is the correct one.

 

http://fortune.com/2016/03/30/fcc-incentive-auction/

 

 

Bob Bennett



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