[NJARC] NJARC Digest, Vol 144, Issue 10

Retevis retevis at comcast.net
Sun Apr 10 23:27:43 EDT 2016 

Thank you Louis. The site you sent me to talked about the program Never10. I downloaded it and discovered that Microsoft had surreptitiously installed 7 gigs of files on my machine in anticipation of the upgrade. The program allowed me to remove all the files. 
Thanks again. 
Best wishes. 
Bob

Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Apr 10, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Louis <louis2000 at att.net> wrote:
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> Leo Larporte (techguylabs.com) has been addressing this issue for months. He has stated that one should keep up-to-date backups if you're going to upgrade to Win 10 in case something goes wrong and you aren't able to recover your Win 7 or 8 OS and personal files.
> 
> He's also mentioned Steve Gibson's registry hack to prevent the "automatic" upgrade. The best pre-upgrade advice is, backup, backup, backup...
> 
> Here's a site with info about permanently preventing the upgrade:
> 
> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3049996/windows-pcs/blocking-windows-10-with-never10.html
> 
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
>>   1. Re: Nasty surprises (Joe Giliberti)
>>   2. Re: Nasty surprises (Comcast Email John)
>>   3. Re: Nasty surprises (Mike Feher)
>>   4. Re: Nasty surprises (Retevis)
>>   5. Re: Nasty surprises (Retevis)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:08:23 -0400
>> From: Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com>
>> To: Pete O <stateasylum at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Retevis <retevis at comcast.net>, Njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
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>> Windows 10 is nowhere near as bad as 8, and Classic Shell makes up for the rest
>>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Pete O via NJARC <njarc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> Just remember
>>> Reply = Poster
>>> Reply All = Everyone
>>> 
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Is this really the place to exercise a grudge against MS?  I've voluntarily installed Win 10 and have had no problems.
>>> 
>>> Updates are fine for almost everyone. Confidentiality can be protected by a number of programs if that's the perceived problem.  I definitely do not want to start a fire here but just noting that I, personally, don't find any issue and urge that this be moved to an appropriate forum.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Retevis <retevis at comcast.net>
>>> To: Njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 3:10 PM
>>> Subject: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
>>> 
>>> Just remember
>>> Reply = Poster
>>> Reply All = Everyone
>>> 
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>> Hi Everyone
>>> 
>>> I know we are a radio club, but all of us also own computers and I just wanted to alert you to something to avoid a nasty surprise.
>>> 
>>> This morning I got a call from a friend in California whose Windows 7 machine had changed overnight to Windows 10. Now this friend is very computer illiterate and only uses the machine for email, so you can imagine how lost she was.  I had to do quite a bit of work over TeamViewer to bring her machine back to something she could work with.
>>> 
>>> I did not have this problem since I have "automatically install updates" off in my Windows 8 machine.
>>> 
>>> If you don't, however, be on the lookout for update KB 3035583. This update will automatically bring your machine up to Windows 10. I hope it's not too late to warn you, and you might be wanting the upgrade, but I personally think this is a bad way for a company to do business.
>>> 
>>> I looked online for other complaints and saw a doctor who had to put off a test for one of his patients due to an unwanted upgrade at the wrong time.
>>> 
>>> Also, before you contact a lawyer over this, be aware that right in the EULA, the agreement that you acquiesced to when you installed Windows, Microsoft has the RIGHT to do just what they did. Very nice.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes and good luck.
>>> Bob
>>> 
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>>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:07:19 -0400
>> From: Comcast Email John <oldradio at comcast.net>
>> To: Pete O <stateasylum at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net>, Retevis <retevis at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
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>> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:15:32 -0400
>> From: "Mike Feher" <n4fs at eozinc.com>
>> To: "'Pete O'" <stateasylum at yahoo.com>,    "'Retevis'"
>>    <retevis at comcast.net>
>> Cc: "'Njarc'" <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
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>> I for one am pleased to get the information. - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS
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>> 732-886-5960 -----Original Message-----
>> From: NJARC [mailto:njarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Pete O via
>> NJARC
>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 4:59 PM
>> To: Retevis; Njarc
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>> _________________________________________________________
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:07:02 -0400
>> From: Retevis <retevis at comcast.net>
>> To: Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
>> Message-ID: <BB943D36-1432-4C69-ACE0-3291AAB3F899 at comcast.net>
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>> Apparently you can. There is info on the web that says how. I have not researched it myself. Best wishes.
>> Bob Sent from Bob's iPhone
>>> On Apr 10, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And even better, in Windows 10, you CANNOT disable automatic updates
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Retevis <retevis at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Just remember
>>>> Reply = Poster
>>>> Reply All = Everyone
>>>> 
>>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>> 
>>>> I know we are a radio club, but all of us also own computers and I just wanted to alert you to something to avoid a nasty surprise.
>>>> 
>>>> This morning I got a call from a friend in California whose Windows 7 machine had changed overnight to Windows 10. Now this friend is very computer illiterate and only uses the machine for email, so you can imagine how lost she was.  I had to do quite a bit of work over TeamViewer to bring her machine back to something she could work with.
>>>> 
>>>> I did not have this problem since I have "automatically install updates" off in my Windows 8 machine.
>>>> 
>>>> If you don't, however, be on the lookout for update KB 3035583. This update will automatically bring your machine up to Windows 10. I hope it's not too late to warn you, and you might be wanting the upgrade, but I personally think this is a bad way for a company to do business.
>>>> 
>>>> I looked online for other complaints and saw a doctor who had to put off a test for one of his patients due to an unwanted upgrade at the wrong time.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, before you contact a lawyer over this, be aware that right in the EULA, the agreement that you acquiesced to when you installed Windows, Microsoft has the RIGHT to do just what they did. Very nice.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes and good luck.
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:09:11 -0400
>> From: Retevis <retevis at comcast.net>
>> To: Pete O <stateasylum at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
>> Message-ID: <032858D9-F8CB-4E22-8295-91C90E2C044B at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> I'm sorry, but I did not intend my email to be a grudge against Microsoft but a warning to those who were unaware. I did not think that this issue should be a surprise. Best wishes. Bob
>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>>> On Apr 10, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Pete O <stateasylum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this really the place to exercise a grudge against MS?  I've voluntarily installed Win 10 and have had no problems.
>>> 
>>> Updates are fine for almost everyone. Confidentiality can be protected by a number of programs if that's the perceived problem.  I definitely do not want to start a fire here but just noting that I, personally, don't find any issue and urge that this be moved to an appropriate forum.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Retevis <retevis at comcast.net>
>>> To: Njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 3:10 PM
>>> Subject: [NJARC] Nasty surprises
>>> 
>>> Just remember
>>> Reply = Poster
>>> Reply All = Everyone
>>> 
>>> _________________________________________________________
>>> Hi Everyone 
>>> I know we are a radio club, but all of us also own computers and I just wanted to alert you to something to avoid a nasty surprise. 
>>> This morning I got a call from a friend in California whose Windows 7 machine had changed overnight to Windows 10. Now this friend is very computer illiterate and only uses the machine for email, so you can imagine how lost she was.  I had to do quite a bit of work over TeamViewer to bring her machine back to something she could work with. 
>>> I did not have this problem since I have "automatically install updates" off in my Windows 8 machine. 
>>> If you don't, however, be on the lookout for update KB 3035583. This update will automatically bring your machine up to Windows 10. I hope it's not too late to warn you, and you might be wanting the upgrade, but I personally think this is a bad way for a company to do business. 
>>> I looked online for other complaints and saw a doctor who had to put off a test for one of his patients due to an unwanted upgrade at the wrong time. 
>>> Also, before you contact a lawyer over this, be aware that right in the EULA, the agreement that you acquiesced to when you installed Windows, Microsoft has the RIGHT to do just what they did. Very nice. 
>>> Best wishes and good luck. Bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
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