[NJARC] motorola picture tube

[victor bellini]

Hey......thanks for the help. I don't know if there is a replacement tube
that can be used. I don't think so from what I have researched and I do have
the SAMS. I am not even 100% sure if it is working or  not but I think that
it is dead. I have replaced everything else in the chassis and have
researched that this tube can not be rejuvenated (I do have the equipment to
do that) and the 12 pin adaptor to test it would have to be specially made.
It is a nice clean set. there was one very rare "ballast" tube # 17a485459 
in it that was missing and I did find one of what I believe to be only one 
of about 3 in existence and once again no known alternate that I could find. 
Here is a pic of the set.

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>   1. 8BP4 Picture Tube (VICTOR BELLINI)
>   2. Re: 8BP4 Picture Tube (davesica at juno.com)
>   3. Re: Philly/NY TV (John Ruccolo)
>   4. Re: 8BP4 Picture Tube (John Tyminski)
>   5. Time-limited TV rescue (Tonight or never..) (M.Simons)
>   6. NY/Philly Overlap (Robert Flory)
>   7. Re: NY/Philly Overlap (John Ruccolo)
>   8. Re: NY/Philly Overlap (Al Klase)
>   9. Re: NY/Philly Overlap (n2yeg at optonline.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:02:29 -0400
> From: "VICTOR BELLINI" <victor3d at verizon.net>
> Subject: [NJARC] 8BP4 Picture Tube
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> Looking for a Motorola 8BP4 Picture Tube. Does anyone have any ideas where 
> I
> might look to find one.....thanks
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:17:59 -0400
> From: davesica at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] 8BP4 Picture Tube
> To: victor3d at verizon.net
> Cc: njarc at mailman.qth.net
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> Does it have to be a Motorola? Those are relatively scarce in any brand,
> tho' they do show up from time to time. An 8BP4 sold recently on eBay for
> nearly a hundred bucks.
>
> If no one here has one for you, you could try placing an ad on the Early
> Television Museum's website.
> http://earlytelevision.org/classified_page.html
>
> Good luck!
> --Dave
>
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:02:29 -0400 "VICTOR BELLINI"
> <victor3d at verizon.net> writes:
>> Looking for a Motorola 8BP4 Picture Tube. Does anyone have any ideas
>> where I might look to find one.....thanks
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Ruccolo <jr6v6gt at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Philly/NY TV
> To: robandpj at earthlink.net, njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
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> Hi Rob,
>
> *10* years? I'm only 4 years older than you. You must be referring to 
> someone *really* old, Like Al. ;-)
>
> But it's true, just a few years can make a big difference in what TV shows 
> or popular songs, etc.,?you remember.
>
>> "We were in the Philly/NY overlap." Did you have an antenna rotor?
>
> JR
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Robert Flory <robandpj at earthlink.net>
> To: njarc <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 4:11:42 AM
> Subject: [NJARC] Philly/NY TV
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> _________________________________________________________
> What a difference 10 years makes.
>
> Born in 62, I only remember Romper Room of that bunch.?
> We were in the Philly/NY overlap.
>
> Most fun I had with TV was with the outboard ultrasonic remote that my dad 
> installed on the TV in the master bedroom so he could kill it after Johnny 
> Carson.? My sister and I discovered that if we shrieked shrilly enough we 
> could activate it.? Picture 2 little kids jumping up and down on a bed 
> shrieking while the TV turns on and off.
>
> RF
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:36:52 -0500
> From: John Tyminski <tubeularelectronics at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] 8BP4 Picture Tube
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> Have you tested it even if it has bad emission you may be able to 
> rejuvenate
> it.
>
> I know I do not have any thing like that you might post a ad on
> antiqueradios.com  most likely you best bet is ebay. Check and see how the
> person you buy it from is going to pack it most people have no idea how to
> pack and ship a CRT.
>
> John T
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:17 PM, <davesica at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Just remember
>> Reply = Poster
>> Reply All = Everyone
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
>> Does it have to be a Motorola? Those are relatively scarce in any brand,
>> tho' they do show up from time to time. An 8BP4 sold recently on eBay for
>> nearly a hundred bucks.
>>
>> If no one here has one for you, you could try placing an ad on the Early
>> Television Museum's website.
>> http://earlytelevision.org/classified_page.html
>>
>> Good luck!
>> --Dave
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:02:29 -0400 "VICTOR BELLINI"
>> <victor3d at verizon.net> writes:
>> > Looking for a Motorola 8BP4 Picture Tube. Does anyone have any ideas
>> > where I might look to find one.....thanks
>>
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> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "M.Simons" <msimons at slackware.com>
> Subject: [NJARC] Time-limited TV rescue (Tonight or never..)
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> Greetings,
>
> I'm not sure where else to turn... I was referred here by the MARCH
> folks.  I'm trying to decide whether or not I should go rescue this
> vintage 1949/1950 television in a nice wood case or not. Basically,
> it's either tonight, or never. (in other words, it's out in the
> trash for tomorrow's pickup..)
>
> I believe it's a Philco 50t-1404 but I may be slightly incorrect on
> that. It looks something like this:
> http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Philco-50T1404-Base.JPG (the picture
> doesn't do it justice.)
>
> It's located in NE Philly if anybody is nearby and wants to get it,
> I can tell you where.
>
> Or does anybody have Antique Trader's TV and Radio price Guide and
> can look it up for me?
>
> It's very attractive but the logistics of rescuing it are a bit hard
> for me, and I don't know whether it's even worth the time/effort or
> not.
>
> Any suggestions of where to turn for people into this sort of thing
> who might be up/online at this late hour would be appreciated.
>
> thanks!
>
> Feel free to email me (I'm constantly on this email, although lately
> reception has been a bit slow) and/or IM me at the yahoo IM
> msimonsmail
>
> thanks
> --
> MSimons
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 04:30:20 -0400
> From: "Robert Flory" <robandpj at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [NJARC] NY/Philly Overlap
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
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> Second most fun with the TV, the rotor.......Kachunk, kachunk, kachunk.
>
> Third most fun with the TV, holding magnets up to the screen and watching 
> the colors go wacky.   Boy was I nervous when it stayed that way, 
> fortunately only for a little while.
>
> Trivia:  Who referred to TV programming as a "vast wasteland" (before I 
> was born) ?  I sure didn't remember or even recognize the name.
>
> Recall the old timers from RCA saying, "best feature we ever put in a TV 
> was the off switch".
>
> RF
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 05:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Ruccolo <jr6v6gt at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] NY/Philly Overlap
> To: robandpj at earthlink.net, njarc at mailman.qth.net
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>>From WikiPedia:
> ?
> The Wasteland Speech was a speech given by Federal Communications 
> Commission (FCC) chairman Newton N. Minow to the convention of the 
> National Association of Broadcasters on May 9, 1961. The speech was 
> Minow's first major speech after he was appointed chairman of the FCC by 
> President John F Kennedy. In the speech, Minow referred to television 
> programming as a "vast wasteland" and advocated for programming in the 
> public interest.
> "When television is good, nothing ? not the theater, not the magazines or 
> newspapers ? nothing is better.
> But when television is bad, nothing is worse. I invite each of you to sit 
> down in front of your own television set when your station goes on the air 
> and stay there, for a day, without a book, without a magazine, without a 
> newspaper, without a profit and loss sheet or a rating book to distract 
> you. Keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can 
> assure you that what you will observe is a vast wasteland.
> You will see a procession of game shows, formula comedies about totally 
> unbelievable families, blood and thunder, mayhem, violence, sadism, 
> murder, western bad men, western good men, private eyes, gangsters, more 
> violence, and cartoons. And endlessly commercials ? many screaming, 
> cajoling, and offending. And most of all, boredom. True, you'll see a few 
> things you will enjoy. But they will be very, very few. And if you think I 
> exaggerate, I only ask you to try it."[1]
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Robert Flory <robandpj at earthlink.net>
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 4:30:20 AM
> Subject: [NJARC] NY/Philly Overlap
>
> Just remember
> Reply = Poster
> Reply All = Everyone
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Second most fun with the TV, the rotor.......Kachunk, kachunk, kachunk.
>
> Third most fun with the TV, holding magnets up to the screen and watching 
> the colors go wacky.? Boy was I nervous when it stayed that way, 
> fortunately only for a little while.
>
> Trivia:? Who referred to TV programming as a "vast wasteland" (before I 
> was born) ?? I sure didn't remember or even recognize the name.
>
> Recall the old timers from RCA saying, "best feature we ever put in a TV 
> was the off switch".
>
> RF
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:22:54 -0400
> From: Al Klase <al at ar88.net>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] NY/Philly Overlap
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
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> On 5/26/2010 4:30 AM, Robert Flory wrote:
>
> Trivia: Who referred to TV programming as a "vast wasteland" (before I
> was born) ? I sure didn't remember or even recognize the name.
>
> Newton Minnow!  FCC Chairman under JFK.
>
> Al
>
> -- 
> Al Klase - N3FRQ
> Jersey City, NJ
> http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:53:54 +0000 (GMT)
> From: n2yeg at optonline.net
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] NY/Philly Overlap
> To: robandpj at earthlink.net
> Cc: njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <e4f5ba57b5a4.4bfd0bd2 at optonline.net>
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> Former FCC chairman Newton Minow?used the phrase "vast wasteland".? Wow, I 
> MUST be old, I remember hearing it!While the subject of early childrens' 
> TV shows is ripe, does anyone remember the kids' TV show with a bear hand 
> puppet "Sooty"?? I haven't been able to find anyone who remembers it, but 
> just found it on YouTube? 
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sooty&aq=1? .? I remember 
> watching it as a YOUNG kid, but can't find any mention of it being aired 
> on metro NY TV in the '50s.? As a matter of fact, that Philco TV in Phila. 
> that needs a home looks alot?like the 17" Philco that I had, but ours had 
> 2 doors.Bill Zukowski----- Original Message -----From: Robert Flory?Date: 
> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:30 amSubject: [NJARC] NY/Philly OverlapTo: 
> njarc at mailman.qth.net> Just remember > Reply = Poster> Reply All = 
> Everyone> > _________________________________________________________> 
> Second most fun with the TV, the rotor.......Kachunk, kachunk, > kachunk.> 
> Third most fun with
> the TV, holding magnets up to the screen and > watching the colors go 
> wacky.   Boy was I nervous when it stayed > that way, fortunately only for 
> a little while.> > Trivia:  Who referred to TV programming as a "vast 
> wasteland" > (before I was born) ?  I sure didn't remember or even 
> recognize > the name.> > Recall the old timers from RCA saying, "best 
> feature we ever put > in a TV was the off switch".> > RF> 
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