[NJARC] Re: Repair Clinics
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Fri Mar 31 13:23:38 EST 2006
Arrgh err Aye!
Jim Curione
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> 1. Re: A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> (Fadacat at aol.com)
> 2. Re: A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> (Billoradio at aol.com)
> 3. Re: A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> (Fadacat at aol.com)
> 4. Re: A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> (David Sica)
> 5. Re: A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> (Rob Flory)
> 6. Re: A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> (antqradio at juno.com)
> 7. Re: A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> (antqradio at juno.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:46:54 EST
> From: Fadacat at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News
> letter.
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> MOTION SECONDED !!!!
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:48:41 EST
> From: Billoradio at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News
> letter.
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> You up trying to snipe something?
>
> Bill
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:00:14 EST
> From: Fadacat at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News
> letter.
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> Hi Bill,
> Nah !! Just handling last nights sales !!!!
> Frank
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:02:01 -0500
> From: David Sica <davesica at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News
> letter.
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20060331.100349.3084.3.davesica at juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Thomas,
>
> Remember "The Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules! The club
> decides how things will be done. And the club is all of us. So this is
> probably a good discussion to be having. To date, we've done it the way
> we've done it - perhaps due to carefully reasoned thinking, or perhaps
> just because "we've always done it that way". I've not been part of that
> decision-making process, but I was an early advocate of the repair clinic
> program back when the club was formed and I do have a few (perhaps
> conflicting) thoughts on the subject.
>
> I agree that it's at the very least disheartening that a person would
> have our club fix a radio for free just so they could sell it at a
> profit. I'm enough of an idealist that when I think of people coming in
> to take advantage of our repair clinics, I picture warm, fuzzy
> Rockwell-esque scenes where the family can now gather around grandpa's
> old radio and enjoy... well maybe all they can tune in to is hate radio
> on AM these day, but anyway it was a nice mental image while it lasted!
> :-) Hopefully our "open to the public" clinics, along with club displays
> and lectures, generate publicity, goodwill and attract new members. It's
> not realistic to expect 100% success from any endeavor and although it
> really, really irks me when a few bad apples abuse our generosity, if the
> big picture remains positive, well, I guess that's life.
>
> If it turns out that we are offering public repair clinics to the
> detriment of serving our own members, then we might want to adjust the
> percentage of public vs. members-only events or otherwise tweak the
> program to best serve the interests of the club. We've already been
> discussing ways to do that and the more input the better so your note is
> very timely!
>
> I'm not so sure about charging a fee at the clinics. (Although I guess it
> couldn't hurt to ask for a donation?) There are a few folks who provide
> commercial repair services, and I have to admire them; I can't figure out
> how anyone could actually make a living that way. I've always thought
> that repairing a radio was a great way to make a million dollars: a
> dollar an hour for a million hours!
>
> I can't speak for Marv or the Board, but I think you can rest assured
> that the Broadcaster will remain a members-only benefit. We're still
> working on the best way to make the current issue accessible only to
> members (as it now is when being sent via snail-mail) without making it
> inconvenient to access. I don't think anyone ever intended that it would
> be made freely available to the public. If anyone did, I'm on record
> against that. On the other hand, we ARE intending to continue to make
> back issues freely available in our online library, and that's always
> been viewed as appropriate.
>
> The swapmeets being open to the public is perhaps a "mixed blessing" too.
> The admission donations collected from people attending our events go a
> long way toward keeping our club financially healthy while keeping our
> dues reasonable. And they are good exposure for the club. Our
> mini-swapmeets held at many meetings ARE members-only events. Although
> (with some notable exceptions) these usually provide only dubious
> treasures, parts and junque, our May meeting this year will be a shining
> example of club pride at it's best. The Mike Hammer collection was
> specifically earmarked by his widow to be auctioned at a CLUB event, to
> CLUB members not the public. Although this limited exposure has the
> potential to limit her financial return, because Mike was so enthusiastic
> and happy to be a member of the club, that's the way she wanted it.
>
> Anyway, I don't know if other folks would agree with any of your concerns
> or if any changes will be made to address them, but the type of
> constructive criticism you've brought up is what helps make the club
> better each year. So, thanks!
>
> --Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:15:48 -0500 "Thomas Lee"
> <thomas_v_lee at hotmail.com> writes:
> > Visit our web site - See http://www.njarc.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > In the two years that I have been a member there was only one class
> > taught
> > to the beginners/new members at the repair clinics. Can’t a
> > schedule of
> > classes be made for new members and be held at the monthly meetings
> > or the
> > repair clinics?
> > Being that the repair clinics are far and in between how are new
> > members
> > supposed to get hands on experience? I understand the clubs
> > resources are
> > very limited but when you open the clinics to the public at the cost
> > of the
> > members it just does not’t make sense.
> > I have been to a few repair clinics where “the public” have brought
> > in
> > their radios for repair, and most are not interested in joining, or
> >
> > learning. They just want a working set to enjoy or sell on eBay or
> > some
> > other avenue. Why should the club support that at the cost of its
> > new
> > members, and that of the old member’s time when its resources are so
> > limited
> > and would have been better served by concentrating on its new
> > members and
> > old ones?
> > As for the broadcaster being put online for free then just what
> > would be the
> > advantages of joining? The swap meets are open to the public. The
> > repair
> > clinics are open to the public, and you can have your radio repaired
> > for
> > free. If the news letter can be read online why join when you can
> > get it
> > all for free?
> > I think it is all well and good for the public to be invited to the
> > repair
> > clinics, but if they bring in a radio for repair, they should be
> > charged
> > some kind of fee, and those monies collected should either be added
> > to the
> > clubs treasury to fund future programs and or have the member who is
> >
> > spending his time on it compensated in part to discourage people who
> > just
> > want a free repair and then go sell it somewhere.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NJARC mailing list
> > NJARC at mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/njarc
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:18:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Rob Flory <robandpj at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News
> letter.
> To: New Jersey Antique Radio Club <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
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>
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>
> I think raising the proportion of members-only repair clinics would be a good
> idea. A lapsed member brought a radio to one of our recent clinics and would
> have joined up again, but he never made it into the queue. I think the hands-on
> education that novice members get is more important than fixing radios for
> others.
>
> Rob Flory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: David Sica <davesica at juno.com>
> >Sent: Mar 31, 2006 10:02 AM
> >To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
> >Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News letter.
> >
> >Visit our web site - See http://www.njarc.org
> >_______________________________________________
> >Thomas,
> >
> >Remember "The Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules! The club
> >decides how things will be done. And the club is all of us. So this is
> >probably a good discussion to be having. To date, we've done it the way
> >we've done it - perhaps due to carefully reasoned thinking, or perhaps
> >just because "we've always done it that way". I've not been part of that
> >decision-making process, but I was an early advocate of the repair clinic
> >program back when the club was formed and I do have a few (perhaps
> >conflicting) thoughts on the subject.
> >
> >I agree that it's at the very least disheartening that a person would
> >have our club fix a radio for free just so they could sell it at a
> >profit. I'm enough of an idealist that when I think of people coming in
> >to take advantage of our repair clinics, I picture warm, fuzzy
> >Rockwell-esque scenes where the family can now gather around grandpa's
> >old radio and enjoy... well maybe all they can tune in to is hate radio
> >on AM these day, but anyway it was a nice mental image while it lasted!
> >:-) Hopefully our "open to the public" clinics, along with club displays
> >and lectures, generate publicity, goodwill and attract new members. It's
> >not realistic to expect 100% success from any endeavor and although it
> >really, really irks me when a few bad apples abuse our generosity, if the
> >big picture remains positive, well, I guess that's life.
> >
> >If it turns out that we are offering public repair clinics to the
> >detriment of serving our own members, then we might want to adjust the
> >percentage of public vs. members-only events or otherwise tweak the
> >program to best serve the interests of the club. We've already been
> >discussing ways to do that and the more input the better so your note is
> >very timely!
> >
> >I'm not so sure about charging a fee at the clinics. (Although I guess it
> >couldn't hurt to ask for a donation?) There are a few folks who provide
> >commercial repair services, and I have to admire them; I can't figure out
> >how anyone could actually make a living that way. I've always thought
> >that repairing a radio was a great way to make a million dollars: a
> >dollar an hour for a million hours!
> >
> >I can't speak for Marv or the Board, but I think you can rest assured
> >that the Broadcaster will remain a members-only benefit. We're still
> >working on the best way to make the current issue accessible only to
> >members (as it now is when being sent via snail-mail) without making it
> >inconvenient to access. I don't think anyone ever intended that it would
> >be made freely available to the public. If anyone did, I'm on record
> >against that. On the other hand, we ARE intending to continue to make
> >back issues freely available in our online library, and that's always
> >been viewed as appropriate.
> >
> >The swapmeets being open to the public is perhaps a "mixed blessing" too.
> >The admission donations collected from people attending our events go a
> >long way toward keeping our club financially healthy while keeping our
> >dues reasonable. And they are good exposure for the club. Our
> >mini-swapmeets held at many meetings ARE members-only events. Although
> >(with some notable exceptions) these usually provide only dubious
> >treasures, parts and junque, our May meeting this year will be a shining
> >example of club pride at it's best. The Mike Hammer collection was
> >specifically earmarked by his widow to be auctioned at a CLUB event, to
> >CLUB members not the public. Although this limited exposure has the
> >potential to limit her financial return, because Mike was so enthusiastic
> >and happy to be a member of the club, that's the way she wanted it.
> >
> >Anyway, I don't know if other folks would agree with any of your concerns
> >or if any changes will be made to address them, but the type of
> >constructive criticism you've brought up is what helps make the club
> >better each year. So, thanks!
> >
> >--Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:15:48 -0500 "Thomas Lee"
> ><thomas_v_lee at hotmail.com> writes:
> >> Visit our web site - See http://www.njarc.org
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> In the two years that I have been a member there was only one class
> >> taught
> >> to the beginners/new members at the repair clinics. Can’t a
> >> schedule of
> >> classes be made for new members and be held at the monthly meetings
> >> or the
> >> repair clinics?
> >> Being that the repair clinics are far and in between how are new
> >> members
> >> supposed to get hands on experience? I understand the clubs
> >> resources are
> >> very limited but when you open the clinics to the public at the cost
> >> of the
> >> members it just does not’t make sense.
> >> I have been to a few repair clinics where “the public” have brought
> >> in
> >> their radios for repair, and most are not interested in joining, or
> >>
> >> learning. They just want a working set to enjoy or sell on eBay or
> >> some
> >> other avenue. Why should the club support that at the cost of its
> >> new
> >> members, and that of the old member’s time when its resources are so
> >> limited
> >> and would have been better served by concentrating on its new
> >> members and
> >> old ones?
> >> As for the broadcaster being put online for free then just what
> >> would be the
> >> advantages of joining? The swap meets are open to the public. The
> >> repair
> >> clinics are open to the public, and you can have your radio repaired
> >> for
> >> free. If the news letter can be read online why join when you can
> >> get it
> >> all for free?
> >> I think it is all well and good for the public to be invited to the
> >> repair
> >> clinics, but if they bring in a radio for repair, they should be
> >> charged
> >> some kind of fee, and those monies collected should either be added
> >> to the
> >> clubs treasury to fund future programs and or have the member who is
> >>
> >> spending his time on it compensated in part to discourage people who
> >> just
> >> want a free repair and then go sell it somewhere.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NJARC mailing list
> >> NJARC at mailman.qth.net
> >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/njarc
> >>
> >>
> >_______________________________________________
> >NJARC mailing list
> >NJARC at mailman.qth.net
> >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/njarc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:16:31 -0600
> From: antqradio at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News
> letter.
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20060331.091632.2232.10.antqradio at juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> All in favor say Arrgh err Aye!
>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:46:54 EST Fadacat at aol.com writes:
> > Visit our web site - See http://www.njarc.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > MOTION SECONDED !!!!
> > _______________________________________________
> > NJARC mailing list
> > NJARC at mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/njarc
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:44:13 -0600
> From: antqradio at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] A few thoughts on the repair clinics and the News
> letter.
> To: njarc at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20060331.094414.2232.11.antqradio at juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Dave is correct, you can't make a living repairing old radios. I do it
> for the enjoyment and personal satisfaction of making the radio play
> again.
> My services are advertised for free on a local talk radio program called
> "Help your Neighbor".
>
> It the repair is just replacing tubes, capacitors and resistors and
> tuning, I charge a flat $50.00 fee.
> I have collected a lot of repair parts, so for me it is no big deal.
> Most of what I need is already on hand, if I can find them!
> If power transformers or cabinet refinishing is required, the repair
> price is much more.
>
>
> The club on the other hand is purchasing new parts (except for tubes) and
> should be compensated.
> Let's face it, radio repair is a thing of the past and few do it. In
> this area (Central Arkansas) I am the only one.
> I have customers who travel 60 miles to drop off radios, unfortunately,
> there isn't much business, a radio or two a month.
>
> May I suggest that NJARC charge the cost of parts replaced times pi?
> This isn't much and those who want to keep the radio will still
> appreciate the bargain.
> Regards,
> Jim
>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:02:01 -0500 David Sica <davesica at juno.com> writes:
> > Visit our web site - See http://www.njarc.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Thomas,
> >
> > Remember "The Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules! The
> > club
> > decides how things will be done. And the club is all of us. So this
> > is
> > probably a good discussion to be having. To date, we've done it the
> > way
> > we've done it - perhaps due to carefully reasoned thinking, or
> > perhaps
> > just because "we've always done it that way". I've not been part of
> > that
> > decision-making process, but I was an early advocate of the repair
> > clinic
> > program back when the club was formed and I do have a few (perhaps
> > conflicting) thoughts on the subject.
> >
> > I agree that it's at the very least disheartening that a person
> > would
> > have our club fix a radio for free just so they could sell it at a
> > profit. I'm enough of an idealist that when I think of people coming
> > in
> > to take advantage of our repair clinics, I picture warm, fuzzy
> > Rockwell-esque scenes where the family can now gather around
> > grandpa's
> > old radio and enjoy... well maybe all they can tune in to is hate
> > radio
> > on AM these day, but anyway it was a nice mental image while it
> > lasted!
> > :-) Hopefully our "open to the public" clinics, along with club
> > displays
> > and lectures, generate publicity, goodwill and attract new members.
> > It's
> > not realistic to expect 100% success from any endeavor and although
> > it
> > really, really irks me when a few bad apples abuse our generosity,
> > if the
> > big picture remains positive, well, I guess that's life.
> >
> > If it turns out that we are offering public repair clinics to the
> > detriment of serving our own members, then we might want to adjust
> > the
> > percentage of public vs. members-only events or otherwise tweak the
> > program to best serve the interests of the club. We've already been
> > discussing ways to do that and the more input the better so your note
> > is
> > very timely!
> >
> > I'm not so sure about charging a fee at the clinics. (Although I
> > guess it
> > couldn't hurt to ask for a donation?) There are a few folks who
> > provide
> > commercial repair services, and I have to admire them; I can't
> > figure out
> > how anyone could actually make a living that way. I've always
> > thought
> > that repairing a radio was a great way to make a million dollars: a
> > dollar an hour for a million hours!
> >
> > I can't speak for Marv or the Board, but I think you can rest
> > assured
> > that the Broadcaster will remain a members-only benefit. We're still
> > working on the best way to make the current issue accessible only to
> > members (as it now is when being sent via snail-mail) without making
> > it
> > inconvenient to access. I don't think anyone ever intended that it
> > would
> > be made freely available to the public. If anyone did, I'm on record
> > against that. On the other hand, we ARE intending to continue to
> > make
> > back issues freely available in our online library, and that's
> > always
> > been viewed as appropriate.
> >
> > The swapmeets being open to the public is perhaps a "mixed blessing"
> > too.
> > The admission donations collected from people attending our events
> > go a
> > long way toward keeping our club financially healthy while keeping
> > our
> > dues reasonable. And they are good exposure for the club. Our
> > mini-swapmeets held at many meetings ARE members-only events.
> > Although
> > (with some notable exceptions) these usually provide only dubious
> > treasures, parts and junque, our May meeting this year will be a
> > shining
> > example of club pride at it's best. The Mike Hammer collection was
> > specifically earmarked by his widow to be auctioned at a CLUB event,
> > to
> > CLUB members not the public. Although this limited exposure has the
> > potential to limit her financial return, because Mike was so
> > enthusiastic
> > and happy to be a member of the club, that's the way she wanted it.
> >
> > Anyway, I don't know if other folks would agree with any of your
> > concerns
> > or if any changes will be made to address them, but the type of
> > constructive criticism you've brought up is what helps make the club
> > better each year. So, thanks!
> >
> > --Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:15:48 -0500 "Thomas Lee"
> > <thomas_v_lee at hotmail.com> writes:
> > > Visit our web site - See http://www.njarc.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > In the two years that I have been a member there was only one
> > class
> > > taught
> > > to the beginners/new members at the repair clinics. Can’t a
> > > schedule of
> > > classes be made for new members and be held at the monthly
> > meetings
> > > or the
> > > repair clinics?
> > > Being that the repair clinics are far and in between how are new
> > > members
> > > supposed to get hands on experience? I understand the clubs
> > > resources are
> > > very limited but when you open the clinics to the public at the
> > cost
> > > of the
> > > members it just does not’t make sense.
> > > I have been to a few repair clinics where “the public” have
> > brought
> > > in
> > > their radios for repair, and most are not interested in joining,
> > or
> > >
> > > learning. They just want a working set to enjoy or sell on eBay
> > or
> > > some
> > > other avenue. Why should the club support that at the cost of its
> >
> > > new
> > > members, and that of the old member’s time when its resources are
> > so
> > > limited
> > > and would have been better served by concentrating on its new
> > > members and
> > > old ones?
> > > As for the broadcaster being put online for free then just what
> > > would be the
> > > advantages of joining? The swap meets are open to the public.
> > The
> > > repair
> > > clinics are open to the public, and you can have your radio
> > repaired
> > > for
> > > free. If the news letter can be read online why join when you can
> >
> > > get it
> > > all for free?
> > > I think it is all well and good for the public to be invited to
> > the
> > > repair
> > > clinics, but if they bring in a radio for repair, they should be
> > > charged
> > > some kind of fee, and those monies collected should either be
> > added
> > > to the
> > > clubs treasury to fund future programs and or have the member who
> > is
> > >
> > > spending his time on it compensated in part to discourage people
> > who
> > > just
> > > want a free repair and then go sell it somewhere.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NJARC mailing list
> > > NJARC at mailman.qth.net
> > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/njarc
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NJARC mailing list
> > NJARC at mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/njarc
> >
> >
>
>
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