[NCARC] The Demise of the NCARC
Tom Jungmeyer
k1tj at earthlink.net
Fri Mar 23 20:06:36 EDT 2012
I will echo what Chris has said.
I want everyone to know the repeaters should keep operating regardless
of has been said, I am still legally responsible with the FCC which is
fine, I will not do anything along the lines of terminating the license
or anything of the sort. In short, as far as I am concerned, the club
is still operating them legally and there should be no more concerns
about this.
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On 3/23/2012 4:38 PM, Chris McNair wrote:
> Please keep in mind, the BARC Jr.s are coming to that meeting and will
> require the majority of the meeting time.
>
> I understand your position, and feel like it would be wise for me to pretty
> much remain quiet, but it might be more detrimental to the club to push
> things though too fast, rather than letting them happen on the current time
> line.
>
> Those are my only two comments.
>
> -Chris
>
> PS- I have family in town and will be unable to respond to anything further,
> untill Monday.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ncarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:ncarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Justin King
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:10 PM
> To: NCARC at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [NCARC] The Demise of the NCARC
>
> Members of the club:
>
>
>
> It has come to my attention that an illegal board meeting has taken place
> tonight without notice to the general membership per bylaws Part 3, section
> 3a and on top of that not all of the board was invited to the meeting.
>
>
>
> Section 3a. Executive Committee and Club Board meetings are open to the
> General Membership, however, only members of the Club Board may vote on
> business before itself. The Executive Committee or Club Board is permitted
> to hold closed sessions as they deem necessary. The minutes from any closed
> sessions will not be made public. However, all votes and decisions resulting
> from any closed session will be posted on the Corporation's website.
>
>
>
> As of right now the club repeaters are apparently operating without a
> station trustee which is a violation of FCC rules for being an amateur radio
> club. After the last club meeting, which I missed, our Trustee K1TJ voiced
> his intent to resign from the board.however after cooling down withdrew that
> resignation realizing that would put the club's operating license in
> jeopardy. Chris, our president, also voiced intent to resign as the club
> president. What you don't realize is a couple months ago Bill Abbot (member
> at large) also voiced intent to resign from the board and later withdrew
> that resignation as well.keep in mind he was not a club member for the
> required 12 months before being voted into the board as per the bylaws.
>
>
>
> > From what I am seeing on the clubs website officer positions at
> http://ncarc.net/node/3 After tonight's un-announced meeting where not all
> the board was invited, it appears our trustee has been removed from his
> position against his will. A screenshot of the clubs officer positions was
> taken at 9:50 PM and can be seen here. http://n0aol.nti-llc.net/ncarc.jpg
> Willy has become the president as per the bylaws, and the vice president
> position is now open. However Bill's resignation was not accepted.so he
> shall remain on the board. Folks, it is time that the club understand the
> hostile takeover that has taken place of the NCARC. You might all finally
> be putting together the pieces as to why we have had so many board members
> resign in the last year and half.
>
>
>
> As you can read in the attached email, it is my opinion that Willie is
> encroaching on the 1st and 2nd amendment rights of some of our club members
> as seen in the below communication. Keep in mind the Buckhorn site project
> was started in mid-2009 and completed in 2010. Then added onto and enhanced
> in 2011 for all licensed amateurs to use, and multiple club members helped
> see this project through. Without the efforts of Marty KC0QOK this buckhorn
> radio facility would not be in the excellent condition it is in today. This
> project has been complete for some time now!
>
>
>
> One item to note in regard to the linking project: As seen in the March 2011
> newsletter, http://ncarc.net/files/1103.pdf, Willie motioned to set aside
> the money for the linking project and from what I can see lately seems to
> want the project dismissed. Below is an email communication to the board
> members.
>
>
>
> Before I send you off to read the below communications I will close this off
> by stating the following:
>
> It is my opinion, even though missed the last club meeting, that Marty
> finally said what needed to be said. The board is dragging their feet on
> stuff and quite frankly quite a few of us are getting tired of it. The
> commentary below of use of firearms as intimidation is completely out of
> line, and Chris's email response addresses this is great detail. The few
> club members that open carry is just the tip of the ice berg to those of us
> that Conceal Carry on a regular basis.
>
>
>
> The only way I can see this club moving forward is by demanding the
> resignation and immediate replacement of our now Club President Willie
> W5WIW, and an immediate review of our PAO position and Board Member at Large
> position holders.
>
>
>
> I was voted into the Interference Coordinator position in January of 2011,
> that position was once a voting board member position. After the bylaws
> change was made that voting position was stripped and the interference
> coordinator is no longer a board member per the revised bylaws as well as
> the ham fest chair position
>
>
>
> I hereby propose (in violation of the bylaws) that we move elections up to
> the April NCARC general membership meeting to be held 4-21-2012, and these
> voted positions take effect immediately to get the club back on track as
> soon as possible.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your time reading this long email, it is time the NCARC be
> returned to the fun club is should be.
>
> Justin King
>
> N0AOL
>
>
>
> ===================================
>
> On 3/18/2012 2:24 PM, Willard Williams wrote:
>
> Tom
>
> I am very upset about the way you try to go around the rules and regulations
> of the club. There has not been any explanation about the linking system or
> what good it will do the club. There was not a written proposal before it
> started. I don't believe the club was told about the link of 220 and
> 147.700 at this time. I have not seen in minutes where the club voted to
> link these frequencies. We have not finished a project in over 4 years.
> Now we are starting a new project without paper work. I know how mad you
> get when you are told no and the recourse you take. You have talked about
> the hogwash and the time you have wasted at board meetings and how they are
> filled with nonsense. I know you have been a part of that too because you
> don't want to follow the By laws. When we asked for the numbers off the
> equipment for insurance you stated that we don't need them. When we wanted
> to set up an inventory of club assets you said we didn't need that. The
> club has a lot of money in asset and should know where to find the
> equipment. You fuss about Eugene wanting run things but he did bring up
> things to get the club thinking about the business we are in. Sure he said
> things we didn't want to hear but it made sense. I did not know that we had
> that equipment and worth that much money. There is probably a lot more
> equipment out there that we don't know about. I did not know about the
> contracts and how they were written until I got involved in the insurance.
> I know you got mad and said thing to other people about me but I tried to do
> my job. I probably have put as much in the club as you have but I did not
> say much. You voted for the bylaws and we should follow them. I talked to
> several people after the meeting and they did not know the board had set the
> project aside or they would not have voted for it. Chris would not let
> Eugene tell that at the meeting before the vote was taken. I was not going
> to say anything because I knew that I would cause trouble, and I felt
> threatened by the man carrying a weapon and his words and tone of his voice.
> As of people doing their job and left alone to do their job, what about the
> budget they are to use. Do you think these people are to have an open
> expense accounts?? There is always a need to control the money in a club.
>
> As far as Bill he told us in the Board meeting about what his problem was
> and we voted to take the problem to the general meeting and was voted on
> there and it passed.
>
> The motion that Marty made was out of line and he or anyone that wanted that
> motion to carry did not follow the BYLAWS and should have been stopped but I
> think the members of the club did not want to start a fight. None of the
> other members of the board would say anything because Chris would not let
> them talk. He should have stopped the motion for lack of proposal, as set
> forth by the bylaws.
>
> You know that the reason I feel that way about people with guns is because
> of all the shootings we hear about now. We don't know when if it will
> happen again. I don't think guns have a place in a club meeting.
>
> Willie
> ====================================
>
>
>
> Response:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date:
>
> Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:17:07 -0600
>
>
> To:
>
> Board Reflect<mailto:board at ncarc.net> <board at ncarc.net>
>
>
>
> Tom had nothing to do with the proposal, it was made by Marty. There HAS
> been a linking system proposal, it was made verbally, prior to the
> ratification of the current by-laws. Therefore, it is not subject to the
> current requirements for a project. Why does this get brought up every time
> we try to discuss a completely different topic. Every week we are rehashing
> topics that have already been decided. The reason we haven't completed a
> project in 4 years is because the board has wasted the time we spend
> together, fighting old battles, and groping for consensus where there is
> none to be had.
>
> The voter proposal that was made to the board was shot down because some
> thought it was lacking a coherent proof of concept. In other words, they
> didn't think we needed it or it was not feasible. The proposal that was
> made at the meeting yesterday, was intended to give us the means to achieve
> the requisite proof of concept. The reason that I stopped Eugene from
> speaking was because the motion had yet to be made, therefore, the floor
> wasn't open for discussion. My mistake was letting anyone speak before the
> motion was made and seconded. But, I didn't want to be accused of being
> Draconian and tyrannical, which are both words that board members have used
> to describe me in the past for simply trying to do my job and keep us on
> track and following the rules. When it was open for discussion, no motions
> to table until the proposal could be made properly, were made. The proper
> course of action was not to stop the motion from being made, but to wait
> until it had been made, then move on the motion to amend, table, or
> otherwise modify the motion. The point that Eugene had been trying to
> make, although valid, was out of place, non actionable (it was an
> observation, not something we could act on), and it was not clear to me that
> he had been saying we were violating the by-laws, I thought he was
> expressing his personal objections. He was correct in his assessment of the
> by-laws with regard to the situation. I do not have the by-laws memorized,
> and I did not recall the clause that Eugene, Bill, and Willie all pointed
> out to me AFTER the meeting, but anyone of you could have, at the RIGHT
> TIME, called a point of order, or put an actionable item up for a vote.
>
> Every single one of us regularly violates the by-laws, rules of order, or
> both. People are quick to point out when someone else steps out of line,
> yet show very little regard for the rules when it is their pet topic up for
> debate. This is the subject that caused me to lose my temper with Bill after
> the meeting yesterday. Every one of us is guilty of speaking out of turn,
> making an invalid motion, otherwise causing a procedural fault, or
> intentionally obstructing progress. I would like to apologies to Bill,
> Willie, Jerry, and anyone else whom I may have offended by the way I
> expressed my frustrations, but I stand by everything I said, it needed to be
> said.
>
> With regard to the allegations that I somehow conspired with Marty to push
> this thing through, I am appalled. I did have prior notice that Marty
> intended to address the issue, and I did talk with him before the meeting to
> ensure his discussion was actionable. I did not know exactly what his
> motion was going to be. It is irrelevant that the board had discussed a
> similar topic, any club member has the right to bypass the board and call
> for a direct vote on any topic. Maybe if we would quit the infighting and
> take the actions our constituents want us to take, they wouldn't be forced
> to bypass the board altogether. I didn't cut anyone off who was not
> speaking out of turn. Willie and Eugene were allowed to speak freely after
> the motion had been made and seconded. All I heard were what appeared to be
> personal opinions, and not a single one of you used the procedural tools at
> your disposal (motion to table, motion to amend, point of order for a review
> of the by-laws, a counter motion to dismiss) to stop this, apparently, gross
> injustice from moving forward.
>
> I never told Ed that his question had to go back to the board, that is a
> flat out lie. I gave him the option to make a motion for a vote by the
> general membership, or a request that the board review the topic a second
> time. He chose the latter. Marty chose the former, because he didn't
> believe the board would act.
>
> The thought that I used the fact that Marty and I were both armed to scare
> the club into passing the voting receiver measure, is ridicules. There were
> only four people opposed to the measure, I'm not menacing enough to bully
> over 30 people to vote in favor of something that they feel is wrong. Get
> real. The straight forward allegations, that one of us would have started
> shooting, which have been made, are insulting and entirely unfounded. I
> carry a firearm for personal defense, and would never EVER think of using it
> unless someone's life were in peril. Willie, the only people who should
> fear me are the ones who intend to harm someone else. Anyone who feels
> otherwise has grossly misjudged my character. I have never become violent
> or threatened anyone while at a radio function, while carrying a fire arm,
> or while in a position of leadership. What makes you think I would start
> now?
>
> The past year and a half has been one of the most stressful times in my
> life. This is in no small part due to the behavior of the Club board. Ham
> radio is a hobby, not a business and should not be a source of anxiety
> attacks, which it has for me, on many occasions. The behavior of this club
> board is destroying the club and the enjoyment of the hobby for many of
> those involved. I have tried everything I can think of to get you all to
> stop bickering like teenaged girls and start acting like adults, and can no
> longer allow the behavior of a few self-riotous individuals to cause me so
> much frustration and anxiety, and sap all enjoyment out of a wonderful
> hobby. I hereby resign as the President of the NCARC.
>
> This term has seen the loss of TWO presidents, a control op., and countless
> threats to quit from several other positions within the board.
> Something is systemically wrong here.
>
> 73,
> KD0EGE
>
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