[NCARC] 2.4 Ghz 802.11b info
James Cizek
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Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:28:53 -0700 (MST)
By the number of responses I got back from that last post
on 2.4 Ghz stuff, I figured I'd throw this back to the list for everyone.
My experimentation with 2.4 Ghz 802.11b stuff with was off the shelf
cards made by D-Link. I used 2 PCI cards that had external antenna
jacks on the card. One of the tricky things about 802.11 stuff is
the connectors. Everything is reverse polarity. The card had a
reverse polarity SMA connector. Some other antennas I had around
(original 802.11 commercial panel antennas by Cisco) have reverse polarity
TNC. This is a good place to go for all your "weird" connectors:
http://www.hyperlinktech.com/
Now for antennas:
The more gain and directivity you have, the better. I tried using
yagi antennas both horizontal and vertical polarization. Most of these
attempts failed badly. There is just too much noise for this to work
correctly over a large difference when you are working with such
a low signal. At a distance of 2 miles, the "client" side was hearing
the signal from the "host" and could be seen on the signal meter
but no link could be established. This was using 33dbi gain yagis.
So, scrapping the yagi idea, I went to the dish. There is little to
say about the dish except that it works, and works well. I used 2 18"
RCA directv type DSS dishes. I just hacked the lnb off and mounted
my antenna where it's focus used to be. (Focus does not change
with freq).
I used a dipole feed at first. This worked fine in either polarization
over a 15 mile range (longest we tested). But I wanted more signal
as it was a little weak. It worked but was a little weak.
In summary on feeds, there are 2 that work fantastic. a 5.25 turn
helix (cirular polarization) and a splash plate feed (circular also).
I found that going to circular gained us almost 3 db in every case.
Not due to increased signal, but in decreased noise. The majority
of "stuff" out there is either horizontal or vertical only. Since
you will have a 3db difference between either linear polarization and
circular, it makes sense.
Finally, the cable. Use hardline and N-connectors period. Unless
your run between the net card and the feed is less than 3 feet,
your loss in the cable will be so bad your system will be deaf.
I used 3/4" hardline from the windowsill to the top of the tower (30 foot
tower) and used 1/4 flexible hardline from the top of the tower to the
dish feed, and 1/4 flex from the window sill (the cable was strung through
the window during the test) to the PC where a small jumper was created
(about 6 inches long) to convert from N connector to reverse SMA.
One more thing I have to mention:
Amsat-Oscar 40 uses 2401.323 as the middle of it's primary downlink.
This transponder on the satellite is right in middle of 802.11b
land at the lower edge of channels. Although it doesn't seem to be
a huge issue as 802.11 is earth based and your antennas are usually
pointed high while using ao-40, bringing up a link on channel
0 or channel 1 will still blast the downconverters. I had some
neighbors that put up a wireless in their house that severely
effected my link. I asked them to change it to channel 11 and that
solved all the problems. Just an FYI because there are a few people
around town using these frequencies in a "weak-signal" fashion !!
Here is a link to a very small perl program I wrote to quickly
estimate dish gain, bandwidth, and focus. I find this really
useful when comparing dishes to see how much extra you really
are getting when going to a bigger dish and how hard it will be
to aim it!
http://www.jamescizek.com/dish.html
Please note: This program is not entirely accurate for 18 inch
DSS type dishes. The focus will be off a little. This is due
to the fact that most of the DSS dishes are not parabolas, they
are a section of a parabola. This means that in order to calculate
the true focus, you need to calculate the size of the full parabola
and enter those numbers. Then the focus measurement will be on.
The gain and beamwidth remain accurate.
Also remember that offset fed dishes are not "looking" where they
look like they are "looking" (Is that a sentence?)
The actual beam from the DSS dishes is approx 23 degrees higher
than where the dish "looks" like it is pointing.
Sorry, that's all that's on the website now. It just got created
a few days ago and I am working on the content now. Hopefully
I will have some pictures of all this stuff up there soon.
Hope that helps a little!
-James KI0KN
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