[MRCA] adding another guy to the MRCA group
Al Klase
ark at ar88.net
Thu Apr 15 09:18:59 EDT 2021
David,
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73,
Al
On 4/15/2021 8:47 AM, MARK DORNEY via MRCA wrote:
> Hello David,
> Give him the link to the MRCA web site and have him sign up.
>
> Mark D.
> WW2RDO
>
> “In matters of style, float with the current. In matters of Principle,
> stand like a rock. “. - Thomas Jefferson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:31 AM, David Craine <david.r.craine at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark
>> Hi Ray
>>
>> I would like to know how can we add another person to this group.
>> Steve Hood is a retired Army helicopter pilot and owns a WWII Dodge
>> WC and a Korean War Jeep. He has some military radios and is buying
>> more. He lives in Topeka, Kansas.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David Craine
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 11:47 PM, mkdorney at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> My apologies for getting the radio types mixed up. I claim a long
>>> day at work, and perhaps a bit of a senior moment. The SCR-284 is
>>> the BC-654; What I thought you were referring to was the radio in
>>> the picture you are in, which is either an SCR-694/BC1306 or an
>>> AN/GRC-9. In any case, I'd get that radio under cover. The
>>> SCR694/BC-1306 is a late war radio. It was supposed to replace the
>>> SCR-284/BC654. The SCR-694/BC1306 had the problems getting the
>>> correct power supplies shipped to Europe with the radios, although
>>> it was used extensively in 1944 and 1945 in the Pacific. The
>>> SCR-284/BC654 was widely used in Europe for the duration of WW2.
>>> The vehicle radio mount for it is the FM-41. The issued vehicle
>>> antenna base for the SCR-284 was the MP-48, although it could use
>>> other types. The vehicle antenna base issued with the
>>> SCR-694/BC-1306 is the MP-65, although the earlier antennas could
>>> also be used. The BC-659 radio could use either the MP-48, MP-65 or
>>> the AB-15 mast base, but just make sure that the antenna can the
>>> same type of antenna wire as the radio.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> WW2RDO
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: mrca at mailman.qth.net
>>> Reply-to: mkdorney at aol.com
>>> To: david.r.craine at gmail.com
>>> Cc: RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu, mrca at mailman.qth.net
>>> Sent: 2/15/2019 10:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>> Subject: Re: [MRCA] Additional thought on Dayton Hamvention
>>>
>>> The BC-659 was the radio used by the Field Artillery. The BC-620
>>> is an Infantry Radio. That’s the bad news. The good news is that
>>> while operating a BC-620 can get some Hams pissed off at you for
>>> using phone (voice) transmissions on frequencies used more for
>>> CW ( Morse Code ) transmissions, the BC-659 is good to go for
>>> voice at some frequencies above 29.0 MHz fm. Power supplies for
>>> the BC-620 and BC-659 are interchangeable. Just make sure the
>>> output power on the power supply and the input power on the
>>> radio match. The way to tell the difference between a BC-620 and
>>> a BC-659 is that the BC-659 has a speaker in the front, while
>>> the BC-620 has no internally mounted speaker. In NY, we have our
>>> BC-659s set on 29.6 and 29.1 MHz FM.
>>>
>>> Your best bet is to see if you can get a hold of a WW2 dated
>>> TO&E for a HQ Battery for either a Mech or a towed FA battalion
>>> and see what they actually had. I think you have a good start
>>> with the BC-284/BC-1306(80 meters, can work with the BC-611
>>> Handie Talkie). Keep in mind the the SCR-284/BC-1306 was a very
>>> late war radio. Also, there were some delivery problems in
>>> Europe with the power supply made for that radio. Look around
>>> for a BC-659. For just the radio in decent but non-working
>>> condition, the price should be in the $200-$400 range.
>>>
>>> I’d move the SCR-284 to get it under the canvas for the
>>> troop compartment. Best to get that radio out of the elements.
>>>
>>> Do you have any vehicle antennas for your radios? I didn’t
>>> see any in you pictures. The SCR-284 was issued with an MP-65
>>> antenna base for the vehicle. If you have trouble finding one,
>>> let me know and I’ll see what I can find. The BC-620 and
>>> BC-659 can use either the MP-48 or more plentiful AB-15 antenna
>>> base. Just make sure you can get the correct wire W-128 to
>>> connect the radio to the antenna. Also, don’t use more that
>>> three feet of that wire when connecting the radio to the antenna
>>> or you’ll have antenna matching problems.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Mark
>>> WW2RDO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 9:16 PM, David Craine
>>> <david.r.craine at gmail.com <mailto:david.r.craine at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi thank you! You guys can ask anything. Hello from a fellow
>>> Redleg. In 1983 I started as a Pvt E1 13B cannon cocker and was
>>> almost immediately pulled into the FDC, for a few years. Then
>>> became an Artillery Officer.
>>> I desire to replicate a WWII artillery fire direction center.
>>> Battalion level. I have an SCR-620 that needs some work. I
>>> have an SCR-284 and just got the mount as a kit and an AM
>>> receiver BC-312. One of my BC-312 was converted to AC and it
>>> does glow and produces static. I’m pretty excited about that.
>>> I set up a large fly tent and back my truck up to it.
>>>
>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 19:57, Mkdorney <mkdorney at aol.com
>>> <mailto:mkdorney at aol.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello David,
>>> First of all, welcome to the group. If I may be so bold
>>> to ask, what branch of the Army. I was an O-3, 13E5H.
>>>
>>> What rigs do you have in the WC ? I don’t think I’d add
>>> any more. The’d be kind of like crew served weapons in that if
>>> the vehicle was destroyed, the unit would loose 3 radios. I am
>>> torn in adding even a second radio to mine. I can add either a
>>> BC-659-B or a VRC-3 (BC 1000 with a PP-114 power supply. My
>>> PP-114 is dated 1945 ). I’m not sure I want to add either.
>>> Where did you put the radio connection box - in the front
>>> passenger side tool box ( factory mount ) or behind the driver
>>> on the front wall of the troop compartment (field mount)?
>>>
>>> What level Amateur ticket do you hold? General or Extra?
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Mark
>>> WW2RDO
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:32 PM, David Craine
>>> <david.r.craine at gmail.com <mailto:david.r.craine at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi guys, I’m new here and this is my first post. I have a 1943
>>> Dodge WC52 and I have 2-3 radios from WWII mounted in the back.
>>> I found your group and I hope I can learn from you all and I
>>> agree with Mark. At the 2018 MVPA Convention I went straight to
>>> the tables with military radios and there weren’t many! I’m
>>> hoping we can do more events together. I’m in a MVPA club in
>>> Topeka Kansas, I live in Lawrence kansas.
>>> I’m 53 year old retired Colonel and now work for the VA.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 16:16, Mkdorney via MRCA
>>> <mrca at mailman.qth.net <mailto:mrca at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There are 4 letters I would recommend all Hams with an interest
>>> in military Radio technology memorize: MVPA. It stands for
>>> the Military Vehicle Preservation Association. Their
>>> International convention this year is in August in York, PA.
>>> Those in the Northeast know that the MRCA joins the local
>>> chapter of the MVPA in Gilbert PA every year for their show.
>>> That could be replicated across the country if Hams who have
>>> Military radio gear got together with local MVPA organizations.
>>> There are even some recruiting possibilities at these shows as
>>> many of these vehicle owners have old, working and non working
>>> radios and really don’t know where to turn to in order to get
>>> licensed and get there stuff fixed. And you don’t need to worry
>>> so much about your “old stuff” being pushed into a corner,
>>> because their stuff is also the old stuff.
>>>
>>> As far as the ARRL is concerned, Military radio collectors and
>>> operators have been the bastard stepchildren for some time now,
>>> and that really doesn’t look to be changing any time soon. The
>>> ARRL has become way too involved with companies like Yaesu and
>>> the like, especially monetarily, to hope for any change on their
>>> part. In that respect, the ARRL has become nothing more than a
>>> trade group for these manufacturers. The only possible way that
>>> will ever change as far as events like Dayton are concerned is
>>> if Military radio collectors demand that change. And the big
>>> money manufacturers will fight tooth and nail before they allow
>>> that to happen.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> WW2RDO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Ray Fantini
>>> <RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu <mailto:RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> If you look at the amount of promotion that’s been going on in
>>> QST and how packed the dealer and sales pavilions are I have to
>>> wonder if maybe the flea market aspect of the Hamvention is
>>> being pushed off to the side and being left to wither and die?
>>> Or is it that the entire concept of used equipment, homebuilt
>>> and playing around with old radios is itself died out?
>>>
>>> Pure speculation on my part but is there a effort to make the
>>> Hamvention into a convention where they just talk and show the
>>> newest and latest technology and the hell with all that old junk
>>> and the people who want to mess with it? Looking at the ARRL it
>>> appears that’s their main interest is in pushing you to go out
>>> and buy the newest whatever and that if you’re not on the
>>> cutting edge or using the newest digital mode you not a complete
>>> Ham.
>>>
>>> I work in a technical field and have to deal with installing the
>>> latest software, operating systems and hardware every day and
>>> the last thing I want to do when I am not at work is have to
>>> download stuff and resolve set up issues, so I prefer to work
>>> with the technology of the past where you can get in, make
>>> changes and work with things at a slower pace. After all it is a
>>> hobby and not a business. So that’s the question is Hamvention
>>> evolving into something more along the lines of a boat show,
>>> where everything is about the newest and most expensive or will
>>> it still reflect whatever the general state of the hobby is?
>>>
>>> And what is the general state of the hobby? Maybe this is the
>>> future and people like me that are getting older and prefer to
>>> waste time on technology from our past just need to get out of
>>> the way for the Hams of the future? Although most of the people
>>> I know, see at the fest and have talked with are just as old if
>>> not older then I am so where are all these Hams of the future?
>>> Maybe by getting rid of us old buzzard Hams that will entice
>>> theses young Hams out to the events? Yet another reason to kill
>>> off the flea market.
>>>
>>> Have to remember your Bell “When one door closes, another opens;
>>> but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed
>>> door that we do not see the one which has opened for us” Somehow
>>> always thought that was a bible quote but apparently not. Maybe
>>> if Hamvention is failing in my expatiations or costing too much
>>> it is time to make this the last trip, but other regional sales
>>> like Frostfest are doing great and maybe look to a future of
>>> more online and local stuff.
>>>
>>> Collecting and using military technology in some ways is a
>>> smaller subset then the larger Vintage Ham radio community is,
>>> but it’s what I want to do and once you get into the military
>>> collectors community you soon discover the weapon, vehicle and
>>> many other collectors that have a thriving community that
>>> somehow survives without having a national organization that’s
>>> beating the drum for everyone to go out and buy or constantly
>>> move forward. Perhaps the nearest analog would be the reenactors
>>> and what they are doing although I don’t consider myself a
>>> reenactor, but they are from what I see a growing group and
>>> would assume they have some sort of organization and
>>> publications and would assume that a large part of it involves
>>> advertising and trying to get there members to go out and buy
>>> things.
>>>
>>> It all circles back to Dayton and what the future is there.
>>> Perhaps it’s my expectations that have changed and not the
>>> Hamvention at all? Or maybe it’s a combination of the two? Or
>>> maybe it’s just that it’s a Friday and Friday morning are
>>> somewhat slow here at work and it’s an opportunity to take time
>>> out and write about these things and try to get an idea what
>>> others think.
>>>
>>> Ray F/KA3EKH
>>>
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