[MRCA] SCR-284 PE-103

Wed Oct 4 12:15:14 EDT 2017

Substitute BC-1000 for PRC-77 in my post, and WW2 is covered.  Nothing else is different.  The Japanese could hear, they had eyes and could see.  Wire laying on the ground would give away a position whether it was during World War Two or in the more modern era.  Wire was as impractical while moving then as it is now.  Noise would give away a position both then and now.  And ambushes usually started with a " boom " then, as they do now.

Mark
WW2RDO

In a message dated 10/4/2017 11:47:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com writes:

I was talking about WWII in the Pacific.

RF

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:34 AM, <mkdorney at aol.com> wrote:
A bunch of wire was not a practical answer to what we were doing.  We were moving too often.  We only used wire to make non-issued long wire antennas for our PRC-77 radios ( we could't get any issue ones, and it was not a big deal if we lost one of our improvised long wire antennas - we just made another).  Phone wire could also give away your position if you didn't bury it.  Now if you were back "in the rear, with the gear" wire and remoting the radios could and did play a more prominent role.

Mark
WW2RDO

In a message dated 10/4/2017 10:18:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com writes:

Garrett hit the nail on the head:

"Regarding whether or not you take a heavy medium power HF radio set to the sharp end, complete with a PE-103 dynamotor and probably a truck to power it - well that’s a different matter.  "

At the sharp end it was all about wire.   Even low power HF radios were not commonly up at the sharp end.   

RF

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Garret Scott <scottgs at bellsouth.net> wrote:
I agree with Robert.   In my opinion, the SCR-284, with PE-103 is probably the quietest of all the WWII radio sets that I have, while transmitting. However, I only have a handful that I have restored and operated. 

But, I think the discussion is not that it is silent, but that relative to the other HF sets available to the Marine Corps, i.e. TBX, etc., it is at least as quiet, and maybe quieter, even when running with hand-cranked generators.  In receive, of course they all can run from dry batteries, so there is zero sound emitted from the power generation for the sets.  Even the PE-104 vibrator supply in the SCR-284, if used instead of dry batteries, seems exceptionally quiet on receive.  

I have noted a comment in one of the books I have about the Native American Code Talkers, that when discussing radios it was mentioned how noisy the TBX hand crank generator was, and that SOP was to find a shell crater to put the generator in, attached to a log on the ground, just to help keep it quieter. Having operated this set, I can attest to the fact that the hand-crank generator is rather loud, at least the three that I have are.  As I have also learned through (somewhat painful) experience, there are several other short comings of TBX set too, which do not exist in the SCR-284 or BC-1306 – but I digress.  I can say that if I were given a choice of HF radios, I’d probably choose the SCR-284 over the TBX (if I didn’t have to carry it), as it is one fine working radio. 

Regarding whether or not you take a heavy medium power HF radio set to the sharp end, complete with a PE-103 dynamotor and probably a truck to power it - well that’s a different matter.   But surely if you did, the SCR-284 would be amongst the quietest. And the heaviest. 

I’m no expert, and I wasn’t there of course, so these are just my amateur observations after fooling with these WWII radios for several years. 

Garret
W8BUG

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That's what I've been trying to say.  The ones that I have/have had are quieter than even a DM-32.  And definitely quieter than a BD-77 or DM-41.

Robert Downs - Houston
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In a message dated 10/03/2017 06:16:10 AM Central Daylight Time, scottgs at bellsouth.net writes: 

Surprised to hear this. The two PE-103's I have are exceptionally quiet, more so than even some hand crank generators. You can barely hear them outside a tent. Compared to other dynamotors, they seem the quietest of all. 

Perhaps there's differences among them?

Garret
W8BUG 

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