[Milsurplus] VLF non directional beacon hunting

B. Smith smithab11 at comcast.net
Sun Sep 1 11:00:31 EDT 2019


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On 9/1/2019 9:19 AM, John Watkins wrote:
> Just got around to setting my TS-930 back up, never have run the Rx. 
> Down to it’s lowest frequency, and was surprised that it goes all the 
> way to 100 KHz.  Picked up 5 or 6 NDBs here in Seguin, TX. With no 
> real problem.  Guess It wouldn’t hurt to make a real VLF antenna, was 
> using my 6-80 vertical.  Know the 930 isn’t a mil radio, but nice to 
> know What I can do with it.  Should have done this years ago.
>
> John WD5ENU
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 22:01 mike christie via Milsurplus 
> <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net <mailto:milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dave
>     Over the last few early mornings I have manage to confirm the
>     following
>     NDB's
>     RND 363 Millville NJ 50 watts
>     ADG 278 Adrian MI
>     DIW 198 Dixon NC
>     MIQ ?   Not sure where this is or the correct frequency I think the
>     frequency is close to 351 which is what Culpeper's frequency is.
>     I'll listen
>     some more
>     Have heard Ft Belvoir or DC
>     RNB 351 Culpeper Va.
>
>     Someone  mention using a Frequency Counter at the Detector what
>     value of
>     capacitor was used and where in the Detector stage was the tap.
>
>     Thanks
>     Mike
>     W1ZFB
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>        1. Re: 800 Cycle AC Meter? (howard holden)
>        2. CW VLF Frequency  ID (mike christie)
>        3. Re: CW VLF Frequency ID (David Stinson)
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>     Message: 1
>     Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 07:34:33 +0000
>     From: howard holden <holden7471 at msn.com <mailto:holden7471 at msn.com>>
>     To: David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com <mailto:arc5 at ix.netcom.com>>
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>     Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] 800 Cycle AC Meter?
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>     All I can tell you is the one on my GO-9 has been working for 10+
>     years now
>     on 60 cycles almost daily and sometimes on for days at a time with
>     no ill
>     effects. Never gave that a thought. I?ll have to take its
>     temperature, maybe
>     tomorrow. I did compare it once to my DVM, and the readings were quite
>     close.
>
>     73, Howie WB2AWQ
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>     > On Aug 16, 2019, at 21:39, David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com
>     <mailto:arc5 at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Given an AC voltmeter, FS 15VAC.
>     > The meter face specifies 600-800 cycles.
>     > Is it reasonable to assume that there is less iron in this
>     meter, vs. one
>     designed for 60 cycles?
>     > If so, and the meter were used at 60 cycles, would it just read
>     incorrectly,
>     > or would the movement overheat?
>     >
>     > TNX 73 Dave S.
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>     Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 08:13:22 -0400
>     From: "mike christie" <MZFB at aol.com <mailto:MZFB at aol.com>>
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>     Subject: [Milsurplus] CW VLF Frequency  ID
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>     Good Morning to all
>
>     I got my RAK 7 running last night and was tuning around and found a
>     continuous CW signal around 233 Kc.  (Band 5 on the RAK)  I listen
>     for a
>     long time for a station ID but nothing came through.  The station
>     continually sends Z F E Z .  Anybody got an idea who this station
>     is and
>     what it's purpose is?  I'm in Fredericksburg, Va. listening to this.
>
>     I tried using one of the SDR sites to see if I could find it on
>     there for a
>     better frequency but couldn't find it on the one SDR site  I tried.
>
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>
>     Thanks
>
>     Mike
>
>     W1ZFB
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>     Good Morning.
>     Your local Fredricksburg Non-Directional Beacon, used for aircraft
>     navigation, is on 237 KC and will continuously send the callsign
>     EZF.??
>     Try running the RAK just below regeneration and see what the signal's
>     modulation sounds like on AM.
>     There are still a lot of these MF-LF NDB transmitters around- many
>     people enjoy chasing them as DX targets- but they are dropping
>     fast as
>     we become more and more reliant on the fragile web of GPS navigation.
>
>     Look for these NDBs in your area, assuming they are still on the air:
>     351? MSQ? Culpeper
>     382? IQK Louisa
>     396 APH Ft. A.P. Hill, God rest him.
>     400 NHK Patuxent River
>     223 DA? Ft. Belvoir
>     332 DC Washingtoilet
>
>     You can find a great map of NDBs with locations and IDs at:
>     http://www.fivegulf.com/ndb/
>
>     If you decide to chase NDBs, you will need something better than a
>     random wire or an HF dipole.? Such antennas pick up common-mode and
>     other noise, which will bury most signals.?? On LF, low-noise is much
>     more important than sensitivity.?? A simple ferrite loop antenna with
>     amplifier will allow you to null-out local noise sources.? My
>     first "dx"
>     reception on 630 meters (473 KC), the receive antenna was a
>     Palamar LA-1
>     ferrite loop- a little box and coil sitting on the desk.?? Recently
>     built a big open loop, 5 feet on a side in prep for 630 meter
>     operation
>     this fall.
>
>     GL OM ES 73 DE Dave AB5S
>
>     P.S. Many people use "E-Field Probes" and think they are the best
>     thing
>     since sliced bread.? I've been working with great success on LF since
>     1983.? E-field probes are "good" if one has compared them only to
>     random
>     wires or HF dipoles, just as a man dying in the desert from thirst
>     would
>     think water from a pig-wallow was "good." E-Field probes are noise
>     magnets and will bury signals in the hash.? If these folks ever
>     used a
>     well-designed amplified loop, they'd throw rocks at E-Field probes.
>
>     On 8/17/2019 7:13 AM, mike christie via Milsurplus wrote:
>     >
>     > Good Morning to all
>     >
>     > I got my RAK 7 running last night and was tuning around and found a
>     > continuous CW signal around 233 Kc. ?(Band 5 on the RAK) ?I
>     listen for
>     > a long time for a station ID but nothing came through.? The station
>     > continually sends Z F E Z .? Anybody got an idea who this
>     station is
>     > and what it?s purpose is?? I?m in Fredericksburg, Va. listening
>     to this.
>     >
>     > I tried using one of the SDR sites to see if I could find it on
>     there
>     > for a better frequency but couldn?t find it on the one SDR site
>     ?I tried.
>     >
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