[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 176, Issue 29

Tue Jan 1 13:33:41 EST 2019

Is there a good espresso machine for small aircraft?

On 1/1/2019 1:29 PM, Francesco Ledda wrote:
> I do not my hands on my Collins 208U-3A until I have consumed 6 espressos!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb
> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2019 12:03 PM
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 176, Issue 29
>
> Many accidents involve a chain of errors.� This one looks like:
>
> 1)� Boeing made a change to one of their automated flight control systems
> 2)� Boeing did not adequately address this change, or did not highlight it
> sufficiently, in their POH and procedures (I am not familiar with how this info
> is disseminated for this plane)
> 3)� Lion Air may have had weaknesses or assumptions in their pilot training
> 4)� There was a sensor fault in this system which resulted in a safety-of-flight
> issue, which was reported twice by separate crews
> 5)� Maintenance personnel both times did not fix the fault but merely reset the
> system
> 6)� A flight crew which was unable to comprehend the fault and how to solve the
> problem in flight finally got that plane.
>
> Break the chain anywhere and the accident wouldn't have happened.
>
> After a long hiatus I recently began working on tube transmitting equipment
> again.� Being close to 1200 volts, I am not taking any shortcuts.� One
> protection is interlocks, which have to be disabled to make most measurements.�
> Same principles apply; so how many error steps before I die?� No shortcuts!� Think!
>
> Peter
> KB2VTL
>
>
> On 1/1/2019 12:32 AM, Dad1 wrote:
>> Beating this subject to death, I guess, and it's off topic to mil. surplus
>> radio equipment.� Absolutely, the mechs. at the last station should have
>> grounded that ship with it's behavior on the inbound flt. leg.� That's primary
>> flt. controls and you should_not_reset a C.B., self-test it and send it down
>> the road.�� The stabilizer was constantly trimming leading edge up to bring
>> the nose down, when the faulty angle of attack sensor kept triggering the
>> MCAS.� The indicator for stab. position is on the pedestal right inboard of
>> the manual trim wheels but the crew would have also seen the manual trim
>> wheels moving. I'm sure the airspeed indicator on the side with the faulty AOA
>> sensor would have also been unreliable. I've seen that cause an airspeed
>> problem plenty and it has to do with air data computer calculations.� I'm at a
>> loss trying to understand why those two pilots didn't throw the stab. trim
>> cutout switches also.� Just makes no sense at all, but Lion Air is trying to
>> blame it on Boeing.� Sure looks to me like a bad maint. crew and a bad flt.
>> crew.� Just my .02 and I won't clog up the forum with any more.
>>
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>> Sent: 12/31/2018 9:31:16 PM
>> Subject: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 176, Issue 29
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>>> �� 1. Re: Lion Air 737 (Francesco Ledda)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 20:30:58 -0600
>>> From: Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net>
>>> To: "lbfulton at windstream.net" <lbfulton at windstream.net>
>>> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Lion Air 737
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>>>  From an article an Aviation Week and Space Technology I understood that the
>>> stab was going up and down. Usually, when a stab runs away, it goes to a stop
>>> and stays there. I do not know the 737, but the DC-9 had a stab position
>>> indicator as well. In the case of a stab run away, the thing to do was to fly
>>> the plane, with the other pilot disconnecting the switches and than run the
>>> stab manually.
>>>
>>> Apparently, two previous crews had experienced the same problem, disconnected
>>> the stab and flew back. So, two other crews managed the emergency properly.
>>> The management computer told pilots and maintenance about a disagreement
>>> between the� two AOAs.� Ground crew should have grounded the plane and follow
>>> procedures; instead, they pulled the breakers and reset the computer to make
>>> the fault go away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> �On Dec 31, 2018, at 19:34, "lbfulton at windstream.net"
>>>> <lbfulton at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> �No, there is not a single switch to disable all automatic flt. controls on
>>>> any model of the 737.� That would mean disabling mach trim, yaw damper,
>>>> elevator feel, rudder load limiter, flap load relief, etc.� Worked on them
>>>> for 45 yrs. Why these two pilots did not throw the stab. trim cutout
>>>> switches, and turn the manual trim wheels to control the aircraft is a
>>>> mystery to me.� I'm no pilot, but a retired airline mechanic.� After reading
>>>> several articles, particularly one from a guy that knows his stuff in the
>>>> Seattle paper, I'm scratching my head over this one.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> �From: milsurplus-request at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Sent: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 13:28:33 -0500 (EST)
>>>> �Subject: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 176, Issue 25
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>>>> �� 1. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (Peter Gottlieb)
>>>> �� 2. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (David Stinson)
>>>> �� 3. OT Lion Air 737 (k2cby at optonline.net)
>>>> �� 4. Re: OT Lion Air 737 (Francesco Ledda)
>>>>
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>>>> �Message: 1
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:21:24 -0500
>>>> �From: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <e2db0d52-42b0-d654-b548-4480c18927eb at gmail.com>
>>>> �No, there is not a single switch to disable all automatic flt. controls on
>>>> any model of the 737.� That would mean disabling mach trim, yaw damper,
>>>> elevator feel, rudder load limiter, flap load relief, etc.� Worked on them
>>>> for 45 yrs. Why these two pilots did not throw the stab. trim cutout
>>>> switches, and turn the manual trim wheels to control the aircraft is a
>>>> mystery to me.� I'm no pilot, but a retired airline mechanic.� After reading
>>>> several articles, particularly one from a guy that knows his stuff in the
>>>> Seattle paper, I'm scratching my head over this one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> �----- Original Message -----
>>>> �From: milsurplus-request at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Sent: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 13:28:33 -0500 (EST)
>>>> �Subject: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 176, Issue 25
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>>>> �� 1. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (Peter Gottlieb)
>>>> �� 2. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (David Stinson)
>>>> �� 3. OT Lion Air 737 (k2cby at optonline.net)
>>>> �� 4. Re: OT Lion Air 737 (Francesco Ledda)
>>>>
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>>>> �Message: 1
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:21:24 -0500
>>>> �From: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <e2db0d52-42b0-d654-b548-4480c18927eb at gmail.com>
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>>>> �Lucky for him the engine would restart every time!?? (hopefully...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> �On 12/30/2018 11:40 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> �On 12/30/2018 20:39, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
>>>>>> �"Maybe my instructors were more sadistic than yours."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> �Mine had a fuel cutoff switch under his seat and would hit it just after
>>>>>> �liftoff, just after the end of the runway, mid-turn, et cetera, to see if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> �respond adequately.? Sometimes he would just reach across and kill the
>>>>>> magnetos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> �Kurt
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>>>> �Message: 2
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 08:05:25 -0600
>>>> �From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
>>>> �To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>>>>> �From my role model and hero, Montgomery Scott:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ���� "The more complicated they make the plumbing,
>>>>
>>>> ����� the easier it is to stop-up the drain."
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>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:25:02 -0500
>>>> �From: <k2cby at optonline.net>
>>>> �To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> �Subject: [Milsurplus] OT Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>>>> �The Lion Air ground staff was clearly negligent in failing to troubleshoot
>>>> �the attitude sensor issue after the prior incident.
>>>>
>>>> �Boeing was equally negligent in failing to incorporate the second "stall
>>>> �recovery system" disconnect in its training program and flight manual.
>>>>
>>>> �Above all, there should be a single switch to disable all of the automatic
>>>> �flight control systems and restore the aircraft to manual control.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> �Miles B. Anderson, K2CBY
>>>> �16 Round Pond Lane
>>>> �Sag Harbor, New York 11963-3821
>>>> �Phone: (631) 725-4400
>>>> �FAX: (631) 725-2223
>>>>
>>>> �e-mail: k2cby at optimum.net
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>>>> �Message: 4
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:18:09 -0600
>>>> �From: Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net>
>>>> �To: k2cby at optonline.net
>>>> �Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] OT Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <7A286823-0B05-4D97-A891-03D42D9389FC at att.net>
>>>> �Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> �There is a single switch!
>>>>
>>>> �Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> �On Dec 31, 2018, at 09:25, <k2cby at optonline.net> <k2cby at optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> �The Lion Air ground staff was clearly negligent in failing to troubleshoot
>>>>> the attitude sensor issue after the prior incident.
>>>>> �Boeing was equally negligent in failing to incorporate the second ?stall
>>>>> recovery system? disconnect in its training program and flight manual.
>>>>> �Above all, there should be a single switch to disable all of the automatic
>>>>> flight control systems and restore the aircraft to manual control.
>>>>>
>>>>> �Miles B. Anderson, K2CBY
>>>>> �16 Round Pond Lane
>>>>> �Sag Harbor, New York 11963-3821
>>>>> �Phone: (631) 725-4400
>>>>> �FAX: (631) 725-2223
>>>>> �e-mail: k2cby at optimum.net
>>>>>
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>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> �On Dec 31, 2018, at 19:34, "lbfulton at windstream.net"
>>>> <lbfulton at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> �No, there is not a single switch to disable all automatic flt. controls on
>>>> any model of the 737.� That would mean disabling mach trim, yaw damper,
>>>> elevator feel, rudder load limiter, flap load relief, etc.� Worked on them
>>>> for 45 yrs. Why these two pilots did not throw the stab. trim cutout
>>>> switches, and turn the manual trim wheels to control the aircraft is a
>>>> mystery to me.� I'm no pilot, but a retired airline mechanic.� After reading
>>>> several articles, particularly one from a guy that knows his stuff in the
>>>> Seattle paper, I'm scratching my head over this one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> �----- Original Message -----
>>>> �From: milsurplus-request at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Sent: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 13:28:33 -0500 (EST)
>>>> �Subject: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 176, Issue 25
>>>>
>>>> �Send Milsurplus mailing list submissions to
>>>> ��� milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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>>>> �Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> �� 1. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (Peter Gottlieb)
>>>> �� 2. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (David Stinson)
>>>> �� 3. OT Lion Air 737 (k2cby at optonline.net)
>>>> �� 4. Re: OT Lion Air 737 (Francesco Ledda)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> �Message: 1
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:21:24 -0500
>>>> �From: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <e2db0d52-42b0-d654-b548-4480c18927eb at gmail.com>
>>>> �No, there is not a single switch to disable all automatic flt. controls on
>>>> any model of the 737.� That would mean disabling mach trim, yaw damper,
>>>> elevator feel, rudder load limiter, flap load relief, etc.� Worked on them
>>>> for 45 yrs. Why these two pilots did not throw the stab. trim cutout
>>>> switches, and turn the manual trim wheels to control the aircraft is a
>>>> mystery to me.� I'm no pilot, but a retired airline mechanic.� After reading
>>>> several articles, particularly one from a guy that knows his stuff in the
>>>> Seattle paper, I'm scratching my head over this one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> �----- Original Message -----
>>>> �From: milsurplus-request at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Sent: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 13:28:33 -0500 (EST)
>>>> �Subject: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 176, Issue 25
>>>>
>>>> �Send Milsurplus mailing list submissions to
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>>>> �Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> �� 1. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (Peter Gottlieb)
>>>> �� 2. Re: ( OT ) Lion Air 737 (David Stinson)
>>>> �� 3. OT Lion Air 737 (k2cby at optonline.net)
>>>> �� 4. Re: OT Lion Air 737 (Francesco Ledda)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> �Message: 1
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:21:24 -0500
>>>> �From: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
>>>> �To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <e2db0d52-42b0-d654-b548-4480c18927eb at gmail.com>
>>>> �Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> �Lucky for him the engine would restart every time!?? (hopefully...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> �On 12/30/2018 11:40 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> �On 12/30/2018 20:39, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
>>>>>> �"Maybe my instructors were more sadistic than yours."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> �Mine had a fuel cutoff switch under his seat and would hit it just after
>>>>>> �liftoff, just after the end of the runway, mid-turn, et cetera, to see if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> �respond adequately.? Sometimes he would just reach across and kill the
>>>>>> magnetos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> �Kurt
>>>>> �______________________________________________________________
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>>>> �Message: 2
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 08:05:25 -0600
>>>> �From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
>>>> �To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>> �Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>>> �From my role model and hero, Montgomery Scott:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ���� "The more complicated they make the plumbing,
>>>>
>>>> ����� the easier it is to stop-up the drain."
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>>>> �Message: 3
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:25:02 -0500
>>>> �From: <k2cby at optonline.net>
>>>> �To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> �Subject: [Milsurplus] OT Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>> �Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> �The Lion Air ground staff was clearly negligent in failing to troubleshoot
>>>> �the attitude sensor issue after the prior incident.
>>>>
>>>> �Boeing was equally negligent in failing to incorporate the second "stall
>>>> �recovery system" disconnect in its training program and flight manual.
>>>>
>>>> �Above all, there should be a single switch to disable all of the automatic
>>>> �flight control systems and restore the aircraft to manual control.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> �Miles B. Anderson, K2CBY
>>>> �16 Round Pond Lane
>>>> �Sag Harbor, New York 11963-3821
>>>> �Phone: (631) 725-4400
>>>> �FAX: (631) 725-2223
>>>>
>>>> �e-mail: k2cby at optimum.net
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> �Message: 4
>>>> �Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:18:09 -0600
>>>> �From: Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net>
>>>> �To: k2cby at optonline.net
>>>> �Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> �Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] OT Lion Air 737
>>>> �Message-ID: <7A286823-0B05-4D97-A891-03D42D9389FC at att.net>
>>>> �Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> �There is a single switch!
>>>>
>>>> �Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> �On Dec 31, 2018, at 09:25, <k2cby at optonline.net> <k2cby at optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> �The Lion Air ground staff was clearly negligent in failing to troubleshoot
>>>>> the attitude sensor issue after the prior incident.
>>>>> �Boeing was equally negligent in failing to incorporate the second ?stall
>>>>> recovery system? disconnect in its training program and flight manual.
>>>>> �Above all, there should be a single switch to disable all of the automatic
>>>>> flight control systems and restore the aircraft to manual control.
>>>>>
>>>>> �Miles B. Anderson, K2CBY
>>>>> �16 Round Pond Lane
>>>>> �Sag Harbor, New York 11963-3821
>>>>> �Phone: (631) 725-4400
>>>>> �FAX: (631) 725-2223
>>>>> �e-mail: k2cby at optimum.net
>>>>>
>>>>> �______________________________________________________________
>>>>> �Milsurplus mailing list
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