[Milsurplus] Chinese 102/139 set

Wed Oct 10 14:30:25 EDT 2018

Something like that might work. It might be quite a business if they also 1) sold in lots for resellers and 2) had a packing and shipping department so they could sell to those who cannot travel to pick up. Then they could do online sales (even using eBay for some items) and make serious money. 

Peter

> On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Before the widespread use of computers, the DRMO did not know the Demil Class of a part, without doing additional work; unless a part looked like a weapon, it was not demiled!
> 
> In the 90s, a new computer based management system came on line; this system included the Demil Class in the DRMO list, and the widespread destruction started. 
> 
> Everybody said that Bush, being a business man, was going to fix it. Of course, he did not have the time to deal with this "minor" issue. 
> 
> The way to solve this problem is to transfer all unneeded DoD items out of DoD to the GSA or any other organization focused on recovering $s for the US Government.  
> 
> Frank, K5URG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:00 PM
> To: Robert Meadows
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net; Jim Whartenby
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Chinese 102/139 set
> 
> The problem with making this political is that you can’t rely on politicians to solve the problem, or to solve the problem without causing worse side effects. Politicians didn’t cause the massive Pentagon bureaucracy and absent a massive organizational review and revamping (which frankly I don’t see happening any time soon), they aren’t going to fix it. 
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Robert Meadows <rpmeadow at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Jon, you are wrong.
>> 
>> Electronics are collected at specified DLA sites (formerly DROMs) and then transferred to the DEMIL site for destruction.  Each Service Branch is billed annually for the "shortfall" in cost of DLA to handle the "surplus" that is not made up in sales.  Currently nearly everything that is declared surplus is directed to scrap contracts wherein the purchaser of the scrap by contract must destroy beyond useable everything. This includes new drill bits, machine tools, auto parts, aircraft parts etc.  The electronics go to the demil sites for govt employees to destroy it.
>> You would be quite surprised at what is still in govt/DLA storage.  
>> 
>> Trump would be interested simply because of the waste of money, man hours and materials that in many cases are parts that have been declared excess on the East Coast and are in dire need on the West Coast... the system has been set up, beginning with Clinton and made even more destructive of materials by obama, the thing that has done a good job of destroying the capability of the US Armed forces.
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: joldenburg2 at new.rr.com [mailto:joldenburg2 at new.rr.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:44 AM
>> To: Peter Gottlieb; Robert Meadows
>> Cc: Jim Whartenby; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Chinese 102/139 set
>> 
>> On the original statement regarding R-390A and tube equipment the last usage of that equipment was at the onset of Desert Storm-1, in 1990. That was 28+ years ago and the use was a stop gap measure. The chance the units are still in storage and not surplused as of yet is slight at this point. Most equipment placed in use into 1980s to present had encrypting  abilities and that was the primary reason for demilling.
>> 
>> Jon AB9AH
>> ---- Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> =============
>> Two things:
>> 
>> One, Trump does not care at all about our measly hobby, and,
>> 
>> Two, the cost to demil is tiny and in most cases borne by the buyer of the scrap. It would bring in almost nothing (in the scheme of defense dept costs) and incur high costs for sorting, compliance and management. Then of course the problem of diversion to enemies or some stupid journalist trying to score points about finding how we are selling military equipment to our enemies (never mind the real cases of doing this directly).
>> 
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Robert Meadows <rpmeadow at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is correct Jim, unless we can get the ear of one Donald John Trump and convince him of the present bad “deal” for the better deal of just selling the antique radio equipment for what would actually be a profit, as the cost to “demil” is quite high.
>> 
>>> R
>>> 
>>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Whartenby
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:47 PM
>>> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Chinese 102/139 set
>>> 
>>> Is this concern for Chinese surplus the result of the lack of military radio surplus in the US?  
>>> 
>>> In exchanges with fellow list members, it appears that just about all US military electronic surplus now has a DMIL D requirement.  I suspect that even the remaining R-390A now have that requirement, along with every other other piece of vacuum tube based military electronics.  
>>> 
>>> So I guess that only the equipment that is already in the hands of the public is all that will ever exist as US military surplus radios?
>>> Comments?
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> I wonder why people argue over the 10% of their differences and ignore the 90% they agree on?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Hubert Miller <kargo_cult at msn.com>
>>> To: Mike Morrow <kk5f at arrl.net>; "milsurplus at mailman.qth.net" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Chinese 102/139 set
>>> 
>>> And this was a fairly recent policy change. The H.K. fellow was as puzzled as well as to the thinking behind the apparent reversal, but less puzzled than we, at least having closer insight into Chinese nationalism. ( and "social control". )
>>> If you see differently and indeed I'm wrong and such eqpt is still being exported, I welcome  learning more. 
>>> -Hue
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Jon Oldenburg AB9AH
>> "A bicycle can't stand on it's own because it is two tired..."
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