A lot of good answers, and insight. I'm pretty sure I was looking at the top couple of inches of one of these partially obscured by a roof rack: https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_27477_KVH-TracVision-A7-01-0277-01BK.html Man, you gotta be hard-up to watch some TV to spend the kilobucks these things cost! Thanks for the input. Kurt