[Milsurplus] photos

[Bob Camp]

Hi

The flip side of this is that bandwidth *does* cost money when you are on the “transmit” end of the pipe. Some of these
list services are as much of a charity as anything else. Thousand(s) dollars a month in charges, zero dollars coming in from
any regular source. One of the ways they try to throttle things is by dumping attachments and photos. The practical alternative is to
shove out a bit of advertising in each message and/or to re-sell the email addresses of list members. Yes, you *could* charge
for membership, that’s not one that works very well. 

If you back off and take a look at the “rest of the world”, the forum format has taken over. Lists in general are a much less popular
approach these days. The forum format allows more advertising and the hosting costs are pretty minimal. The bandwidth charges 
are not all that different between the formats. The mailing list sends stuff out to a lot of people who don’t read it. The forum serves 
up more bits each time somebody visits the site. 

No perfect solutions, just a lot of tradeoff between various issues. Personally, I have plenty of advertising in my life already ….

Bob

> On Dec 6, 2015, at 10:57 AM, W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com> wrote:
> 
> I think prohibiting pictures is a bit of an anachronism. A throwback to a time when bandwidth and disk space were not trivial as they are today. There are many list servers that allow all of this. Even QTH, run and supported (hopefully) by hams allows pictures inline or as attachments, depending on what switches you throw in the list set up.  
> 
> Listserve.com is a REAL anachronism (since 1995)! They were probably one of the very very first ISPs and probably had a room full of modems for people to connect to using SLIP and later PPP (do you remember those dark times!?). I have no idea how they can still be surviving selling what others have been giving away for many years. More power to 'em!
> 
> Lots of mailing lists are now supporting this and those that don’t run the risk of becoming outmoded at some point in time. I think Darwin was the first to figure that out.  The horse-and-buggy companies were very upset when the automobile came around.
> 
> 73 Eugene W2HX
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milsurplus [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Carns
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 5:58 AM
> To: w4ron at carolina.rr.com; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] photos
> 
> We run the CCA list at LISTSERVE.com. Or, I should say, we use Listserve.com to put our list on.  THEY do not allow attachments. We pay for this service to Listserve.com and we eat that cost as a service to our members and others that share our interests that pay us nothing.
> Everyone should be aware that the answer is not just a simple turning on and turning off of a switch and that the people who run the lists are not being "arbitrary".
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