[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

Bob Camp ham at kb8tq.com
Wed Nov 13 22:03:40 EST 2013 

Hi

At least around here the one place you are sure to be nailed for going 1 mile over the limit is on base. I don’t believe the MP’s make anything from the process. Anyplace else in the entire state - 20 over seems to be the rule.

Bob

On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net> wrote:

> I agree about speed enforcement being unnecessarily aggressive.  It many locations it has turned into a revenue source rather than a public safety function.  You can read the stories all the time of people getting ticketed for even a MPH over the limit (and many of us including me have our own stories).  That's one side of it.  On the other side how would *you* like to go clean up body parts when someone is half in the bag and loses control and wrecks?  Cops and firefighters may seem tough but they are human and it affects you no matter your position.
> 
> So, you want "reasonable?"  How would you define that, exactly?
> 
> One thing that could be done is to outlaw fines for speeding, instead having drivers get something like the points against their license, where if they get too many they could get it suspended, etc.
> 
> 
> On 11/13/2013 9:40 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>> Sure, so long as it doesn't affect others.
>>> 
>>> Why have speed limits?  Or any traffic laws for that matter?
>> You answer your own question. Speeding, as in going 100 MPH in a
>> residential area DOES affect others.
>> 
>>> So yeah, I agree... if it absolutely affects nobody else, have at it and
>>> do what you want.
>> But they enforce doiung 35 in a 30 zone even on an empty road, even if it
>> puts nobody at risk, just because a professional nanny want it that way.
>> 
>> -John
>> 
>> ========================
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/13/2013 11:09 AM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>> On non-technical matters, I don't claim to 'know best'. I believe people
>>>> should have the freedom to make up their own minds, not to be dictated
>>>> to.
>>>> 
>>>> -John
>>>> 
>>>> =================
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> John -
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with your assessment, however, on all of the reflectors that we
>>>>> share, it seems you always are the one that knows "best" and has to
>>>>> have
>>>>> the
>>>>> last word. Like the saying goes - "a legend in his own mind". Regards -
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
>>>>> 89 Arnold Blvd.
>>>>> Howell, NJ, 07731
>>>>> 732-886-5960
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J. Forster
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>>> To: whitaker at ieee.org
>>>>> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
>>>>> 
>>>>> My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government mandating
>>>>> them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before
>>>>> they
>>>>> were mandated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows
>>>>> best'...
>>>>> the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously does not know
>>>>> what
>>>>> is best for everybody.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever it
>>>>> has
>>>>> been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have enough
>>>>> control'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and Russia
>>>>> are
>>>>> abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -John
>>>>> 
>>>>> =====================
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> de WB2CPN
>>>>>> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
>>>>>> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense, it had to have
>>>>>> seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
>>>>>> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
>>>>>> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
>>>>>> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car that was whacked
>>>>>> in an accident.  The seat belt was neatly folded under the seat.
>>>>>> Clete
>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It should
>>>>>>> be a personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of
>>>>>>> anybodies'
>>>>>>> business but mine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on personal
>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know best'.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> YMWV,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more
>>>>>>>>> than a decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ======================
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car
>>>>>>>>>> (A Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> DD
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ********
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That
>>>>>>>>>>> car might not have even had them installed!  And even these days
>>>>>>>>>>> in limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really
>>>>>>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>>>>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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