[Milsurplus] Blood n Guts

Wed Nov 13 11:18:52 EST 2013

Now that we have reached a point where we are discussing America, china, and
Russia, I'm curious about something.

My curiosity rises because many of us former vets are now unemployable for
many reasons.

After ten years of research I wrote the following article titled "The four
corners of society"

http://keepamericaatwork.com/editorial/four-corners-society/

I would be curious as to your thoughts on it.

I too do not like a nanny state, but at the same time I realize that if we
do not have somebody strong enough to balance the scale that I refer to in
my article, who will do it?

Regards,

Virgil
N5IVV
HarperTexasWeekly.com
KeepAmericaAtWork.com

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John -

I agree with your assessment, however, on all of the reflectors that we
share, it seems you always are the one that knows "best" and has to have the
last word. Like the saying goes - "a legend in his own mind". Regards - Mike

Mike B. Feher, N4FS
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 

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[mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J. Forster
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My objection is not to seat belts per se. It is to government mandating
them.

Seat belts are a good idea. I had and used 3-point ones long before they
were mandated.

However, I DO object to to the principle that the 'government knows best'...
the out-of-control nanny state. The government obviously does not know what
is best for everybody.

Central planning has been a dismal failure whereever and whenever it has
been tried. And the planners' excuse is always 'we didn't have enough
control'.

As the US becomes more socialist and is in decline, China and Russia are
abandoning a failed system, and are thriving.

-John

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> de WB2CPN
> Just before I left the USAF in 1966 the rule was this:
> If you use your personal vehicle at Government expense, it had to have 
> seat belts installed.  TDY travel.
> One one occasion I'm sure that seat belts saved my butt.
> In a near collision it kept me in control of the vehicle.
> Another time I helped remove a dead driver from a car that was whacked 
> in an accident.  The seat belt was neatly folded under the seat.
> Clete
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> On 11/12/2013 10:48 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>> No, but I DO think that the government MANDATING them is. It should 
>> be a personal choice. Same for an ever growing myriad of other things.
>>
>> If I like the taste of trans-fat or salt or sugar, it's none of 
>> anybodies'
>> business but mine.
>>
>> Virtually every government mandate is another assaullt on personal 
>> liberty.
>>
>> As the current debacles prove, the government does NOT 'know best'.
>>
>> YMWV,
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Are you saying seat belts are a bad thing?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2013 9:05 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more 
>>>> than a decade after Patton was killed.
>>>>
>>>> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> ======================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car 
>>>>> (A Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>>>>
>>>>> DD
>>>>>
>>>>> ********
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That 
>>>>>> car might not have even had them installed!  And even these days 
>>>>>> in limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really 
>>>>>> unlucky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat 
>>>>>>> belt.........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and 
>>>>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%
>>>>>>>> 20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>>>>
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