[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 115, Issue 20

Larry Telegrapher at Q.com
Wed Nov 13 10:22:58 EST 2013 

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>     1. Re: Blood n Guts (don davis)
>     2. Milsurplus, Patton, and Olympic Games (Rob Flory)
>     3. VERY OT:   Seat Belts (David Stinson)
>     4. Re: Blood n Guts (Peter Gottlieb)
>     5. Re: Blood n Guts (Ray Fantini)
>     6. Re: BC 906 freq.meter (RUSTY CORBIN)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:12:59 -0800
> From: "don davis" <dxguy at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Bob Camp'" <ham at kb8tq.com>,	<milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> The first mandatory factory seat belts were 67 or 68.  They were lap only
> with no retraction.  Hardly anyone used them until the 70's.
>
> 73 de don ad6pb
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Camp
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> Hi
>
> I think you will find that seat belts were nearly impossible to get
> pre-installed in a normal car until the 1950's.
>
> Bob
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:16:50 -0500
> From: Rob Flory <farmer.rob.flory at gmail.com>
> To: milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus, Patton, and Olympic Games
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> Interesting tidbit about Patton in the Modern Pentathlon, Bill.
>
> In contrast to Patton, John Philip Sousa was an excellent shot, although
> his milieu was trap shooting.  He was enshrined in the Trapshooting Hall of
> Fame.  For milsurplus tie-in, see the Marine Band play a piece of
> milsurplus equipment in this piece:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7FD9PNpfpo
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> RF
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 06:55:20 -0600
> From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] VERY OT:   Seat Belts
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> I am here writing this to you because I wear seat belts.
>
> Because my first wife would not, she is not....
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:34:08 -0500
> From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> Mid seventies I joined the police reserve and hung around with a lot of fire and
> EMS personnel.  As more and more stories of crashes where the injuries were
> minor due to seat belts were talked about everyone pretty rapidly began to use
> them religiously.
>
> There were also changes made to control heads of radio gear, but not until
> later.  Some of that stuff could do some damage to you in a wreck.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 11/13/2013 5:12 AM, don davis wrote:
>> The first mandatory factory seat belts were 67 or 68.  They were lap only
>> with no retraction.  Hardly anyone used them until the 70's.
>>
>> 73 de don ad6pb
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Camp
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:06 PM
>> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> List
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I think you will find that seat belts were nearly impossible to get
>> pre-installed in a normal car until the 1950's.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:48:30 -0500
> From: Ray Fantini <RAFANTINI at salisbury.edu>
> To: "milsurplus at mailman.qth.net" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> When, if ever were seat belts incorporated into the M151A1 or A2? My 1965 M151A1 has no seat belts and it gets real squarely above forty miles per hour or so, defiantly not designed for highway driving but real fun off road.  Did they not install seat belts in the jeeps so you can get out of them in a hurry?
> Ray F
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:34 AM
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>
> Mid seventies I joined the police reserve and hung around with a lot of fire and EMS personnel.  As more and more stories of crashes where the injuries were minor due to seat belts were talked about everyone pretty rapidly began to use them religiously.
>
> There were also changes made to control heads of radio gear, but not until later.  Some of that stuff could do some damage to you in a wreck.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 11/13/2013 5:12 AM, don davis wrote:
>> The first mandatory factory seat belts were 67 or 68.  They were lap
>> only with no retraction.  Hardly anyone used them until the 70's.
>>
>> 73 de don ad6pb
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Camp
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:06 PM
>> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> List
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I think you will find that seat belts were nearly impossible to get
>> pre-installed in a normal car until the 1950's.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:54:13 -0500 (EST)
> From: RUSTY CORBIN <rusty4248 at nwcable.net>
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] BC 906 freq.meter
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> Mr. Antonio,  I am very interested in the BC 906 unit.  If you still have this unit, please contact me at 812-757-4248 via landline COLLECT aftyer we have set a time and date.  Thank you for you consideration.  73's, Norm.
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>     1. Re: Blood n Guts (J. Forster)
>     2. Re: Blood n Guts (Richard Solomon)
>     3. Re: BC-906 free to good home (Jack Antonio)
>     4. Re: Blood n Guts (Peter Gottlieb)
>     5. Re: Blood n Guts (mac)
>     6. Re: Blood n Guts (Bob Camp)
>     7. Re: Blood n Guts (J. Forster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:11:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
> To: WA5CAB at cs.com
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> Didn't say he was.
>
> The real point is what if we didn't have a gov't nanny state.
>
> -John
>
> =================
>
>
>
>> Hannibal wasn't a Roman.  He was as it happens fighting the Romans.
>>
>> In a message dated 11/12/2013 14:46:58 PM Central Standard Time,
>> dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
>>> Didn't the Romans enslave and slaughter enough folks when they
>>> only foot soldiers and swords !!
>>>
>>> But then, life was quite different back then, no PETA, no opposition
>>> party, nothing.
>>>
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If only Hannibal had tanks and F-18s. Or Caesar had nukes.
>>>>
>>>> -John
>> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
>> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
>> MVPA 9480
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:44:54 -0700
> From: Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz at gmail.com>
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> I was referring to the comment made about Caesar, Hannibal was a Punic
> Carthaginian.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:04 PM, <WA5CAB at cs.com> wrote:
>
>> Hannibal wasn't a Roman.  He was as it happens fighting the Romans.
>>
>> In a message dated 11/12/2013 14:46:58 PM Central Standard Time,
>> dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
>>> Didn't the Romans enslave and slaughter enough folks when they
>>> only foot soldiers and swords !!
>>>
>>> But then, life was quite different back then, no PETA, no opposition
>>> party, nothing.
>>>
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If only Hannibal had tanks and F-18s. Or Caesar had nukes.
>>>>
>>>> -John
>> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
>> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
>> MVPA 9480
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:54 -0500
> From: Jack Antonio <scr287 at att.net>
> To: milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] BC-906 free to good home
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> The BC-906 is spoken for.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jack Antonio WA7DIA/4
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:44:05 -0500
> From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That car might not
> have even had them installed!  And even these days in limos and cabs most people
> don't bother.  He was just really unlucky.
>
>
> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat belt.........
>>
>>
>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>> Glendale, CA
>>
>> *******************
>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Glen:
>>>
>>>      Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and subsequent medical
>>> treatment.
>>>
>>>   http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%20by%20MD.pdf
>>>
>>> Joe Connor
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:00:28 -0800
> From: mac <w7qho at aol.com>
> To: nerd at verizon.net
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car (A
> Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>
> DD
>
> ********
>
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>
>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That car
>> might not have even had them installed!  And even these days in
>> limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really unlucky.
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>> belt.........
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>> Glendale, CA
>>>
>>> *******************
>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Glen:
>>>>
>>>>     Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>
>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:06:20 -0500
> From: Bob Camp <ham at kb8tq.com>
> To: "<milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> List" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
> Message-ID: <C080517B-AD59-4194-8079-5C4DD0BEC718 at kb8tq.com>
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> Hi
>
> I think you will find that seat belts were nearly impossible to get pre-installed in a normal car until the 1950?s.
>
> Bob
>
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:00 PM, mac <w7qho at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car (A Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>
>> DD
>>
>> ********
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>
>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That car might not have even had them installed!  And even these days in limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really unlucky.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat belt.........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>
>>>> *******************
>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>
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> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:05:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
> To: "mac" <w7qho at aol.com>
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Blood n Guts
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> Hardly a surprise because seat belts were not required until more than a
> decade after Patton was killed.
>
> The Progressive bastion of WI as first
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#United_States
>
> -John
>
> ======================
>
>
>
>
>> According to the cited article no seat belts in the General's car (A
>> Cadillac BTW) front or back....
>>
>> DD
>>
>> ********
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>
>>> Remember that back then seat belt use wasn't very common.  That car
>>> might not have even had them installed!  And even these days in
>>> limos and cabs most people don't bother.  He was just really unlucky.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2013 2:19 PM, mac wrote:
>>>> Excellent article!  If he had only been wearing his seat
>>>> belt.........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>>>> Glendale, CA
>>>>
>>>> *******************
>>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Joe Connor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Glen:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Here's an interesting article on Patton's accident and
>>>>> subsequent medical treatment.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://pattonthirdarmy.com/Heildelbergtrippages/Patton%20Death%20by%20MD.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Connor
>>>>>
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When i got to my first PCS (Permanent change of station) assignment in 
1960 our flightline truck had seatbelts and their usage was not 
optional.  Even though it hardly ever got above 10 mph and was one of 
the old early small size pickup's (cab with two seats over the motor).  
I thought it was a waste of time and effort but the USAF didn't and said so.

Larry
W0OGH

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