[Milsurplus] Dayton Findings, Ebay Pricings
J. Forster
jfor at quikus.com
Tue May 21 08:28:11 EDT 2013
Absolutely! And the stewards don't wake you up at 5am for an enema either!
Or drug you into a zombie.
YMMV,
-John
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> I heard an interesting suggestion. Apparently it is cheaper per day to go
> on a
> long cruise than be in a nursing home, and you are treated FAR more
> nicely!
>
> You'd be surprised about some of the new engineers! There are some really
> exceptional ones out there. As for apps, most of them aren't into that
> scene
> much at all, except for the pilots who like things like Wing-X and
> ForeFlight.
> Don't write off the newest generation quite yet.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 5/20/2013 10:42 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>> There are very few young engineers out there that would have any
>> interest
>> in a high end 'scope or synthesized signal generator. All they wan is an
>> iPhone App.
>>
>> As to a nursing home, I think prision might well be a better place. From
>> what I've seen and heard you'd have more freedom.
>>
>> YMMV,
>>
>> -John
>>
>> =============
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> My mother owned a real estate company down in NY and I got the
>>> "pleasure"
>>> of
>>> having to get a few houses cleared out that had significant
>>> collections.
>>> Unfortunately not radio or electronics though but where we see china
>>> and
>>> crystal
>>> and books and antique furniture and zillions of classic jazz albums as
>>> just more
>>> junk most others would see our stuff as junk having to be hauled away.
>>>
>>> Of *course* we are all entitled to have our toys to play with in our
>>> retirement! But I've also heard that it was akin to torture to be
>>> physically
>>> incapacitated, bed-ridden and on oxygen and having all your collection
>>> being
>>> right around you. Of course the gentleman I am talking about preferred
>>> to
>>> remain at his home until his death rather than going to a nursing home.
>>>
>>> I'm not advocating selling to make money; rather, I'm wondering if
>>> there
>>> is a
>>> better plan, some way to be passing on some gear to the next generation
>>> (or
>>> skipping a few down) along with some mentoring. It's not about the
>>> money,
>>> it's
>>> about the love of engineering and the interest which keeps kids in the
>>> lab
>>> after
>>> hours and drives them to achievement.
>>>
>>> I've supported several such young engineers and been pleasantly
>>> surprised
>>> what
>>> has become of my donations.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/20/2013 10:06 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>> There is another point of view.
>>>>
>>>> Not everybody has kids or grandkids that 'need' the latest toys or
>>>> houses
>>>> or cars or whatever. Such 'need' has no end.
>>>>
>>>> OT: The pols in DC are doing their best to mandate intergenerational
>>>> transfer of wealth with taxation and new entitlements. That is why the
>>>> younger generation support such administrations. They still believe in
>>>> Santa Claus. That is delusional.
>>>>
>>>> So, if a person, who has worked and saved all his/her life wants to
>>>> have
>>>> their toys, who has ANY right to say they cannot.
>>>>
>>>> To the ham or experimenter who has walls of gear and enjoys it, isn't
>>>> that
>>>> 60 dB better than playing cards at nursing home or golf or watching
>>>> "Judge
>>>> Judy" or "Days of Our Lives" or driving for "meals on Wheels"?
>>>>
>>>> What good is retirement if you cannot do the stuff you really enjoy?
>>>>
>>>> IMO, none at all.
>>>>
>>>> YMMVAL,
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> ===================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It is a very common attitude to hold on to huge collections rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> to
>>>>> pare
>>>>> down with increasing age. The market value of many things radio
>>>>> related
>>>>> are
>>>>> much less than those collectors realize, and shipping has gotten so
>>>>> expensive
>>>>> for heavy items that people don't want to pay that as well. Plus,
>>>>> the
>>>>> packing
>>>>> can be tough to do properly and take time and effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> If current trends continue, a lot of this radio gear will be worth
>>>>> less
>>>>> and less
>>>>> as fewer and fewer hams are interested in it, or even know how to
>>>>> make
>>>>> it
>>>>> run.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/2013 9:30 PM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> I see too many old men die with stuff rotting in storage sheds
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> u
>>>>>> store it lockers.
>>>>>> Ed#
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 5/20/2013 5:40:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>>>>>> clare.owens at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are striking a chord in me with your comments. Especially this
>>>>>> one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It's just a thing. You need liquid assets- not an albatross on a
>>>>>> shelf
>>>>>> costing you money."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would strike close to home for some on this list to
>>>>>> rephrase
>>>>>> that as "an albatross sitting on a shelf or in a commercial storage
>>>>>> unit
>>>>>> costing you money." I want to be able to see and touch my "stuff"
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> turning my head to the left or at most by going downstairs to my
>>>>>> garage.
>>>>>> Obviously it's anybody's privilege to spend whatever amount for any
>>>>>> item or
>>>>>> to spend whatever additional amounts on its upkeep and/or storage
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> it'd
>>>>>> be foolish to expect the cost of those efforts to make much if any
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> in the item's perceived value to the rest of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I die one of my sons will want a few of the items in my
>>>>>> collection
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> if any of my other sons or grandchildren want any they can have
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the rest will go to a live auction. It's in my will and nobody
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> depending upon any perceived value when it all goes. I just hope
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> collectors who survive me will get as much enjoyment out of my stuff
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I've had from it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clare
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM, David Stinson
>>>>>> <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re: Price and Markets
>>>>>>> (originally posted on Boatanchors,
>>>>>>> reposted here in reponse (**) to Robert's post)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russo, John"
>>>>>>> <jprusso at buffalo.edu>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ....And the Ebay prices on most of the cleaner fleamarket pieces.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> guess 90% of the clean boatanchors did NOT sell because
>>>>>>>> of the overpricing. ....
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I'll be able to sustain this hobby luxury much
>>>>>>>> longer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hams are getting older- fast.
>>>>>>> Many of us have indulged and carried our children far longer than
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> should have, leaving some short the assets to retire.
>>>>>>> Others have been stripped of their assets by the "Big Medicine"
>>>>>>> mafia.
>>>>>>> These folks dream that their collections- which are of value
>>>>>>> to them and about .001% of people with money to spend-
>>>>>>> are going to save them.
>>>>>>> They do not understand elementry marketing.
>>>>>>> Ebay commands "ebay prices" because it offers a market of
>>>>>>> literally millions of buyers. That gives Ebay "pricing power."
>>>>>>> Even at a place like Dayton, your gems are going to be seen
>>>>>>> by, at most, what- a couple of thousand? Double that number.
>>>>>>> Triple it if you like; it's still a "fart in a whirlwind" when it
>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Ebay's pricing power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Second- as more of us join "the choir invisible" with no
>>>>>>> replacements
>>>>>>> coming behind us to soak-up the gear,
>>>>>>> "supply and demand" drives prices down even more.
>>>>>>> High prices on new "plastic computers with antennas" (I don't call
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> "radios" cuz they ain't one)
>>>>>>> freeze-out many young people. High prices on "real" radios at
>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> Dayton keep them out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mathematics is a cruel mistress. She does not give a diddly-damn
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> or what we think is "fair." Her rules never change.
>>>>>>> One can scream how "it isn't so" and curse and blame
>>>>>>> and shake his fist at the thunderstorm but in the end,
>>>>>>> he's still gonna get wet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But hams are not only older- they are ever more stubborn.
>>>>>>> We all know many guys who will haul that ratty R-390 priced at
>>>>>>> "$1500
>>>>>>> firm" back and forth, robbing themselves of the assets they could
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> deployed years earlier and which would have made them more in the
>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> They will keep on doing it, red-faced and griping about "cheap
>>>>>>> hams"
>>>>>> until
>>>>>>> The Almighty gets tired of the comedy show and their kids throw
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> receiver in the dumpster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't be a chump. There is only one "fair price-" the one you and
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> buyer
>>>>>>> agree upon. Get your money out of that "thing" and into something
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> will do you good. Sitting on the shelf with the "I'll never take
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> this, by God!" attitude is costing you money and grief.
>>>>>>> It's just a thing. You need liquid assets- not an albatross on a
>>>>>>> shelf
>>>>>>> costing you money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73 DE Dave AB5S
>>>>>>>
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