[Milsurplus] OT: Re: USS Stewart vandalized
C.Whitaker
whitaker at pa.net
Mon Feb 4 04:55:26 EST 2013
de WB2CPN
What this country needs is Fathers and Mothers.
And less media and trash.
73 EOT
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 2/3/2013 5:54 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> What this country needs is a President in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt !!
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>> I fully expect the NEXT 'red line' is going to be 1 MegaTon.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ================
>>
>>
>>> Unfortunately, with Iran it seems we're going to find out sooner rather
>>> than later.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 2/3/2013 3:31 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>> Well, there's the rub as Shakespear said.
>>>>
>>>> I am unconvinced, as is Iran apparently, that the US would take any
>>>> meaningful action, other than moving the goal posts, if a red line were
>>>> crossed.
>>>>
>>>> YMMV a lot,
>>>>
>>>> -John
>>>>
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Some of these countries, like Iran and China, that think they can tweak
>>>>> Uncle Sam's nose, had best think carefully before they decide to do
>>>>> something terrible, like send over a nuke or crash our power grid
>>>>> through
>>>>> a computer virus.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are still 50 Peacekeeper Missiles, each with 10 RV's that can be
>>>>> back on line easily. That's 500 750 KT warheads. If Nuclear Warheads
>>>>> are not your cup of tea, they can easily be replaced with conventional
>>>>> warheads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, that assumes we have a Government with the stones to use
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> There is scant evidence that what you say is true. Speak to
>>>>>>> historians
>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>> will tell you that many things are actually better now than they were
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>> History is written by the victors, which really means it is biased to
>>>>>> those currently in power. I don't trust historians to separate their
>>>>>> political biases from their work. There are accepted things about WW
>>>>>> II
>>>>>> history that are just not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You say that these kids do not know the difference between good and
>>>>>>> bad?
>>>>>>> But what about the numerous stories of group members who did
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> bad and were
>>>>>>> punished in an appropriate way and learned? Maybe these kids didn't
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> like that before, maybe alcohol was involved (like the drunken
>>>>>>> sailors).
>>>>>>> I wouldn't be so quick to condemn society with such little evidence.
>>>>>> Damaging drywall in one's own house is petty compared to trashing
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> people's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is certainly as much booze, far more drugs, and a lot more
>>>>>> trashing
>>>>>> of places than even 20 years ago. This is partly as a result of
>>>>>> larger,
>>>>>> and hence more destructive, 'flash mobs', due to social media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not excusing what they did but rather just saying that there is
>>>>>>> little that can be
>>>>>>> concluded about the greater state of affairs from this one incident.
>>>>>> Perhaps so, but the frequency of such incidents is growing due to
>>>>>> copycats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Social unrest? What, right now? What about the protests of the
>>>>>>> 60's?
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> Vietnam war protests, the civil rights marches? I don't see anything
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> matches those times! The US will not go out like Rome, it will be
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> (and strong) for a very long time.
>>>>>> And if Iran puts an atomic weapon in a cargo container and ships it
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> NYC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very few say that military force is in general bad. A massive
>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>> recognize the need for a competent, professional, strong military.
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>> see legitimate debate about how that military should be used, how
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>> spent on it, and how to deal with the massive inefficiencies in
>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> are occurring. And what's this about "having a gun is bad?" Or is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> topic taboo to even bring up? Every freedom has limits and
>>>>>>> responsibilities!
>>>>>>> Just like having a car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That ship is a museum, and yes, a lot of people really do care. Like
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> museums, it may need a decent alarm system though.
>>>>>> Probably so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You want to talk about preservation? It is the military itself which
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> destroying almost all electronics gear rather than allowing it to go
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> surplus market. Look at MARS even... used to be that interesting
>>>>>>> gear
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> given out for experimentation and modification, attracting a lot of
>>>>>>> bright
>>>>>>> minds. Now, despite those regulations still saying stuff is given
>>>>>>> out,
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> really is anymore. They won't even give out small gensets to allow
>>>>>>> stations to
>>>>>>> operate during power outages! I've tried going to my representatives
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> all listen and are sympathetic but it will take more than a lone
>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>> here and
>>>>>>> there to make anything happen.
>>>>>> WW II Mil gear could easily be re-purposed to other uses, partly
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> is was far less complex and specialized than today, and partly because
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> used construction techniques that were readily accessible. Not any
>>>>>> more,
>>>>>> because so much is in silicon or SW. There is also far less being
>>>>>> produced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Compare the quantities of modern radios built to WW II quantities...
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 100 maybe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the punks, I think they should be sentenced to clean up and
>>>>>> restore
>>>>>> everything they damaged, with sentence to run until that cleanup is
>>>>>> finished. No parole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YMMV,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To use your words, "does anyone give a damn" anymore?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
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