[Milsurplus] USS Stewart vandalized

Sun Feb 3 14:15:16 EST 2013

There is scant evidence that what you say is true.  Speak to historians and they 
will tell you that many things are actually better now than they were in the past.

You say that these kids do not know the difference between good and bad?  But 
what about the numerous stories of group members who did something bad and were 
punished in an appropriate way and learned? Maybe these kids didn't do something 
like that before, maybe alcohol was involved (like the drunken sailors).  I 
wouldn't be so quick to condemn society with such little evidence.  I'm not 
excusing what they did but rather just saying that there is little that can be 
concluded about the greater state of affairs from this one incident.

Social unrest?  What, right now?  What about the protests of the 60's?  The 
Vietnam war protests, the civil rights marches?  I don't see anything now that 
matches those times!  The US will not go out like Rome, it will be around (and 
strong) for a very long time.

Very few say that military force is in general bad.  A massive majority 
recognize the need for a competent, professional, strong military.  But you will 
see legitimate debate about how that military should be used, how much should be 
spent on it, and how to deal with the massive inefficiencies in spending that 
are occurring.   And what's this about "having a gun is bad?"  Or is the very 
topic taboo to even bring up?  Every freedom has limits and responsibilities!  
Just like having a car.

That ship is a museum, and yes, a lot of people really do care. Like other 
museums, it may need a decent alarm system though.

You want to talk about preservation?  It is the military itself which is now 
destroying almost all electronics gear rather than allowing it to go out on the 
surplus market.  Look at MARS even... used to be that interesting gear was just 
given out for experimentation and modification, attracting a lot of bright 
minds. Now, despite those regulations still saying stuff is given out, nothing 
really is anymore.  They won't even give out small gensets to allow stations to 
operate during power outages!  I've tried going to my representatives and they 
all listen and are sympathetic but it will take more than a lone voice here and 
there to make anything happen.

To use your words, "does anyone give a damn" anymore?

Peter

On 2/3/2013 7:55 AM, C.Whitaker wrote:
> de WB2CPN
> Let's don't overlook the real problem.
> Punishment is after the fact.
> Ask yourself, What kind of environment
> were these kids brought up in?
> Where did they not learn the difference
> between Good and Evil?
> What did they learn in school, Public
> I suppose?
> Me, I am sure that the social unrest, and
> increasing turmoil, is creating a national
> situation that will cause the USA to go out
> pretty much like ancient Rome did.
> Just collapse from within,
> We hear that military force is bad, having
> a gun is bad, and worse of all, "Someone
> else will protect and take care of you."
> Just ask around, does anyone give a damn
> about that ship?
> 73  Retired USAF
> Clete
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> On 2/2/2013 4:41 PM, Ben Dover wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Feb 2, 2013 2:39 PM
>>> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] USS Stewart vandalized
>>>
>>> In todays liberal, pamper the criminal society, you will have violated
>>> their civil rights.
>>>
>>> I think a short vacation in Gitmo (some enterprising young JAG could construe
>>> their act to be one of terrorism) would do wonders.
>>>
>>> Fun in the Sun !! Water Sports !! You get the picture.
>>>
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>>
>>
>> Well...   Remember that we're talking about TEXAS here; civil rights are a 
>> sort of
>> flexible thing, and subject to interpretation.  ;o)
>>
>> What these punks did was the kind of crap I'd expoect from a drunken sailor 
>> coming
>> back from liberty. OK...  if they wanna act like drunken sailors, then TREAT 
>> 'em like
>> drunken sailors.
>>
>> The judge of municipal court in place of Captain's Mast. I'm SURE that there 
>> are city
>> jail or police department employees who are Navy vets who can act as Chief 
>> Master At
>> Arms for a caper like this.
>>
>> A few weekends of really grungy work, combined with uniform inspections of 
>> their dungarees,
>> some talk during break periods about what it MEANS to  serve on a naval 
>> vessel in time
>> of war, and dealing with the boring routine of being a Prisoner At Large 
>> might do these
>> turkeys a lot of good.
>>
>> I wouldn't exactly reccomend it as a recruiting tool tho...  ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. T.  W9LBB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Milsurplus mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
>>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Milsurplus mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5577 - Release Date: 02/02/13
>
>