[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 98, Issue 20
Bry Carling
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Wed Jun 13 12:11:47 EDT 2012
Where is the moderator?
This is becoming nothing more than a foolish political war zone and a sickening insult fest.
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Sent from my android "relatively smart" phone. Please excuse my brevity.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay (Michael A. Bittner)
2. R.F. re Dayton 2012 (Hue Miller)
3. Re: eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay (WA5CAB at cs.com)
4. Re: eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay (Peter Gottlieb)
5. Re: eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay (WA5CAB at cs.com)
6. Re: eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
(hwhall at compuserve.com)
7. Re: eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay (David Stinson)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:38:37 -0700
From: "Michael A. Bittner" <mmab at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
To: <COURYHOUSE at aol.com>, <Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
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I guess, since no one has mentioned it, that it's taken for granted that the whole idea of having a starting price lower than the reserve price is to suck more bidders into the whole auction routine. That's how it works, and that's how it's supposed to work. The other option is to make the starting price equal to the reserve price. With this option the seller will get fewer bidders or maybe even no bidders.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
to whoever was whining about reserves...
do not be and AH if you do not like the item or the reserve just go
away,
I can understand certain sellers listing good items with reserves.It
is important to cover something sometimes of value when the people you
want to see it are the REAL buyers... but on an off week if the real
buyers are on vacation you do not want someone to saunter in and buy it for
99 cents!
remember... it is HIS item and HE can determine how and under what
structure it can be sold
and if there is a reserve why are you winning it if you do not like it
and then being an AH and leaving one star feedbacks? Get a grip man!
In a message dated 6/12/2012 4:33:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
ka2ivy at verizon.net writes:
>>> ...I hate "reserve" pricing with a
>>> passion, and always give 1 star in every catagory regardless of how
>>> good
>>> the item is...
>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:28:39 -0700
From: "Hue Miller" <kargo_cult at msn.com>
Subject: [Milsurplus] R.F. re Dayton 2012
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Ray, thank you so much for your excellent photos and reportage !!
-Hue Miller
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:55:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: WA5CAB at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
To: nerd at verizon.net, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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nerd,
I didn't say that those eBay employees whom I've spoken with weren't
generally friendly about it, at least those who could speak English. But as an
example, in the course of the last issue, the eBay guy told me he totally
agreed with me but although he could push a few buttons and temporarily fix the
problem, the higher-ups would reverse whatever he did and bring the problem
back. eBay is pro eBay, anti seller, and doesn't really care what happens
to buyers.
As far as your foolish Koolaid comment goes, the economic debacle began in
the Spring of 2009. The S&L problems (bad loans) that caused the failures
dates from liberal social engineering attempts during Slick Willie's regime.
The response to the failures that has put the US into a $1 Trillion hole
and basically destroyed our economy can be laid at your boy Obama's feet. And
as far your so-called objective analysees go, anyone with at least
double-digit IQ knows that they are not (objective). Any more than that it's true
that all Americans just love Obamacare. The major media tells us that we do.
The White House keeps telling us that we all do. But we don't. If you
do, you're a fool.
Anyway, getting back to radios, thanks to your boy Obama and people like
you, I'm having to sell off my military radio collection accumulated over the
past half century. Anyone looking for anything should contact me. It all
has to go.
In a message dated 06/12/2012 19:36:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
nerd at verizon.net writes:
> Gosh, I don't know what you guys said to ebay but every time I've had a
> problem
> with a buyer they tried pretty well to do what they could and were
> friendly
> about it. If a buyer doesn't pay, file a non-payment complaint and don't
> ship.
> Yeah, you'll have to re-list. As for Obama having ANYTHING to do with
> this,
> you've been drinking someone's Kool-Aid... most objective analyses show
> Obama
> and Romney to be indistinguishable in terms of policy, except for social
> issues. Back to eBay, I don't agree with how they have been doing things,
> but I
> completely understand their rationale.
>
> Peter
Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:11:24 -0400
From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
To: WA5CAB at cs.com
Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4FD804DC.90602 at verizon.net>
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No politician is "my boy," and I resent your assumptions, although they are
consistent with you jumping to conclusions that match your preferences. It is
pointless to discuss this further, as it is not by any definition a discussion,
and is completely OT here anyway. However, to clarify the waters you muddied, I
am quite harsh in my judgement of both of our major parties and the talking
heads they field to us. Given a few beers, you would find that I will match the
intensity and argue against whichever side you might argue for. I am registered
independent, btw.
I am very sorry about you having to sell off your radio collection. That must
be very painful as all this gear is really amazing stuff. And it is too bad
eBay has made the already difficult task that much more painful and expensive.
This is indeed unfortunate.
Peter
On 6/12/2012 10:55 PM, WA5CAB at cs.com wrote:
> nerd,
>
> I didn't say that those eBay employees whom I've spoken with weren't generally
> friendly about it, at least those who could speak English. But as an example,
> in the course of the last issue, the eBay guy told me he totally agreed with
> me but although he could push a few buttons and temporarily fix the problem,
> the higher-ups would reverse whatever he did and bring the problem back. eBay
> is pro eBay, anti seller, and doesn't really care what happens to buyers.
>
> As far as your foolish Koolaid comment goes, the economic debacle began in the
> Spring of 2009. The S&L problems (bad loans) that caused the failures dates
> from liberal social engineering attempts during Slick Willie's regime. The
> response to the failures that has put the US into a $1 Trillion hole and
> basically destroyed our economy can be laid at your boy Obama's feet. And as
> far your so-called objective analysees go, anyone with at least double-digit
> IQ knows that they are not (objective). Any more than that it's true that all
> Americans just love Obamacare. The major media tells us that we do. The
> White House keeps telling us that we all do. But we don't. If you do, you're
> a fool.
>
> Anyway, getting back to radios, thanks to your boy Obama and people like you,
> I'm having to sell off my military radio collection accumulated over the past
> half century. Anyone looking for anything should contact me. It all has to go.
>
> In a message dated 06/12/2012 19:36:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> nerd at verizon.net writes:
>> Gosh, I don't know what you guys said to ebay but every time I've had a problem
>> with a buyer they tried pretty well to do what they could and were friendly
>> about it. If a buyer doesn't pay, file a non-payment complaint and don't ship.
>> Yeah, you'll have to re-list. As for Obama having ANYTHING to do with this,
>> you've been drinking someone's Kool-Aid... most objective analyses show Obama
>> and Romney to be indistinguishable in terms of policy, except for social
>> issues. Back to eBay, I don't agree with how they have been doing things, but I
>> completely understand their rationale.
>>
>> Peter
>
>
> Robert Downs - Houston
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> MVPA 9480
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:42:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: WA5CAB at cs.com
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
To: nerd at verizon.net
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Obama and all working for him are
definitely the enemy of the USA. However, you will notice I said nothing in
defense of Romney himself. However, the economic sharp downturn occurred on
Obama's watch. And everything that he and the peoply working for him have
done since has made it worse. It may or may not be a coincidence that eBay's
management and general attitudes changed sharply at the same time. However,
the two events together have all but destroyed our business. Both my radio
related one and my wife's. Add to this the illegal immigration and illegal
drug problem which we currently live in the tide waters of. And you get a
situation where I would literally vote for Putin if he ran against Obama. It
is also an unfortunate fact that since WW-II, most elections that had third
or third and fourth party candidates running ended up throwing the election
to the worst candidate. The last three being Carter, Slick Willie (I never
can recall his official name) and Obama. If Obama wins again, the US will
probably never recover. And it is anyone's guess as to whether the Moslems
or the Chinese will eventually overrun the planet. Or destroy it. But
there will definitely be no military radio collectors left.
In a message dated 06/12/2012 22:11:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
nerd at verizon.net writes:
> No politician is "my boy," and I resent your assumptions, although they
> are
> consistent with you jumping to conclusions that match your preferences.
> It is
> pointless to discuss this further, as it is not by any definition a
> discussion,
> and is completely OT here anyway. However, to clarify the waters you
> muddied, I
> am quite harsh in my judgement of both of our major parties and the
> talking
> heads they field to us. Given a few beers, you would find that I will
> match the
> intensity and argue against whichever side you might argue for. I am
> registered
> independent, btw.
>
> I am very sorry about you having to sell off your radio collection. That
> must
> be very painful as all this gear is really amazing stuff. And it is too
> bad
> eBay has made the already difficult task that much more painful and
> expensive.
> This is indeed unfortunate.
>
> Peter
Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:47:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: hwhall at compuserve.com
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
To: ka2ivy at verizon.net, Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <8CF1736D5A559AF-FD8-F66 at angweb-usm003.sysops.aol.com>
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I like the message bombardment idea.
Did I read the second idea right?? You bash a reserve item seller, who has otherwise treated you well and honestly, after you willingly participated in the reserve auction & thus accepted his terms of sale??? That sounds like mere meanness. And probably doesn't make a clear point to the seller about reserves at all.
If I wanted to make a point to a seller about reserves, I think I'd email him and explain how I loved the item, had a pocketful of dearly departed Uncle Joe's cash I was burning to spend, and really wanted to drive the sale higher at the last minute, but due to personal dislkes of reserves I couldn't bid the sale price higher than it sold for. Then he'have an idea that reserves may be costing him sales.
OTOH, they will probably continue reserves on items for which they need some insurance against a really bad auction.
Wayne
WB4OGM
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From: Bruce Gentry <ka2ivy at verizon.net>
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Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
The one thing that can be done will require organization and some effort
from many people. It is simply to bombard sellers with questions and
comments. Once they start getting a hundred questions or so about why
Carfax information is no longer provided, and statements that the
vehicle is of interest but you will not bid without a free Carfax, they
will take notice. Take a few minutes and do it even if you don't want a
vehicle, they have no way to know. Also, everyone has to stop being
good guys when it comes to feedback, especially the hidden "star"
ratings. They DO have an effect. Also be aware, you can not comment on
"Communication" in the "star" catagories any more unless you ask the
seller a question . I now always ask a question so I can give one star
in every catagory if I am unhappy. I hate "reserve" pricing with a
passion, and always give 1 star in every catagory regardless of how good
the item is, and tell everyone I can how much I have bid if I have not
reached the reserve price. Shopping and buying is not a game, it's
serious business and needs to be regarded that way. It is time for to
stop talking and start doing.
Bruce
radioman390 at cs.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I don't know if anyone noticed, but the free CARFAXes on EBay listed used cars
has gone; now you have to pay to learn a vehicle's history. Bummer.
>
> Just a long list of income enhancing moves.
>
> It already cost 12% on a sale when you finish.
>
> Hello QRZ.com !
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:30:31 -0500
From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] eBay estate lot.. now more joy from Epay
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Auction final prices swing with the wind.
So much depends on who has mad money this week
and who doesn't. Reserves are there to protect you
against the "bad week." In all the years using them,
I can count on my fingers how many times my reserve
wasn't met. But I was glad those few times.
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