[Milsurplus] Yalta Conference

Sat Nov 6 23:58:05 EDT 2010

I doubt the leaders of India or China are all that impressed by an 
aircraft carrier, Air Force One or any of the other Presedential
trappings. Impressing ordinary people matters little.

Furthermore, I doubt they'd be much impressed by a Walmart any more,
unlike the Soviets of the 1950s. They'd more likely say "Hey, we make
those in our unit".

FWIW,

-John

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> But doesn't it cost so much per day to run the fleet, regardless of where
> they are?  Sailers like to eat.
> I really don't see where it is such a big deal.  Besides, it is the
> President of the USA. No matter who the man is, it is the office that is
> represented. U.S.A.
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>> Well, I suppose the alternative is with the
>> next presidential term that the rules get
>> changed, and there will be no more travel
>> for the office-holder for the entire term of
>> office.  Everything will be done via tele-
>> conferencing, saving all the costs of travel.
>> Yea, that'll work.  Make all new presidents
>> prisoners in The White House during their
>> entire term of office.  OK, I agree, that
>> isn't going to work.
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>> I've read the 3000+ people number and seen
>> an 800 hotel room number, so, it looks like
>> some folks will be rooming with two and
>> possible three roomies for this TDY mission.
>>
>> Unless most of these travelers are low ranking
>> personnel, they aren't staying three to a room.
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>> Also, I did a little searching around and see
>> the Taj Mahal Palace is fully booked for tonight,
>> so I could not get a room rate.  I did go into
>> December and got a room rate for one person at
>> 11050 INR or about $251 per night.  US government
>> per diem for the highest location in India is
>> currently $389 for lodging and $126 for meals
>> and incidental expenses.  Granted, if actual
>> lodging costs exceed per diem, there is authority
>> to pay actual lodging costs.  Add one line to the
>> travel orders and that gets cured.
>>
>> Even if it is true the US Navy has diverted 34
>> warships to the area, with the possible exception
>> of fuel to get to station, it seems the costs of
>> 34 ships is roughly the same sitting off the coast
>> of India, or sitting off the coast of Hawaii.
>>
>> My gut feeling, unless there are some real costs
>> not particularly publicized, the actual trip costs
>> are in the ten to fifteen million dollars per day
>> range.  As for the personnel, the real delta costs
>> are overtime and per diem, plus travel, as all the
>> salaries are paid if everyone is at home station.
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>> Oh, wait, news flash, I've just figured out where
>> the extra costs are going.  The USG security folks
>> are paying for a blast protective tunnel for Obama.
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>> I read it on the internet, so it has to be true, and
>> wasn't on The Onion page.  See:
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>> http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_tunnel-for-obama-near-mani-bhavan_1461946
>>
>> Another fine article from the press of India.
>>
>> 73
>> Sheldon
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quik.com>
>> Date: Friday, November 5, 2010 4:48 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Yalta Conference
>>
>>> I know nothing about the Indian press, except they occasionally
>>> try and
>>> spam the group, but the US media are certinly describing a pretty
>>> giantexpedition.... 3000+ people, the fanciest hotel fully taken
>>> over, etc.  At
>>> least $100,000,000 per day reportedly.
>>>
>>> Even if it's only $10,000,000 per day, that's still a lot of
>>> money, IMO.
>>> Taxpayer money that the US cannot afford.
>>>
>>> Maybe the US networks are wrong. Maybe not.
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
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>>>
>>> > John,
>>> >
>>> > do you suppose the Press Trust of India is the
>>> > most reliable news source?
>>> >
>>> > http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-
>>> obama-visit-64459
>>> >
>>> > This is where the 34 ship armada information seems to have started.
>>> >
>>> > 73
>>> > Sheldon
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quik.com>
>>> > Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010 10:11 pm
>>> > Subject: [Milsurplus] Yalta Conference
>>> >
>>> >> Does anybody know how many US Warships went to the Yalta
>>> Conference?>>
>>> >> I ask because reportedly 34 US Warships are going to India for the
>>> >> Presidential visit this week.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> -John
>>> >>
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