[Milsurplus] RE: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24

Thu Sep 22 08:32:42 EDT 2005

OLD COMMO and the National Guard and Reserves:
When I was in ARNG in the mid to late 80's we still had some PRC-25's and associated equipment. The particular unit I was in was supposed to have HF-SSB/VHF-FM PRC-70's but I never say any. I suppose some ARNG units that are at "Low Terr" etc., may still have VRC-12/RT-243/RT-524 series, and PRC-77's. The fact that some units may have this instead of SINCGARS seems to make a diffence to some. However, VRC-12's (etc.) are rugged, dependable, and soldier proof as you can get! What ARNG/USAR units supporting Aid to Civil Authorities need is simple reliable VHF equipment backed by multible RETRANS teams. Selected ARNG/USAR units may also need HF-NVIS capablites. All units at company/battalion level need Toughbook type lapTops, FAX's, and radios capable of tying in with civil authorities and avation units. They also need embedded "Commo Specialists" to support operations.  Reliable MILSEC type section/team level radios such as the PRC-126 with battery life up to 72 hours serve 
well those who have dismounted  and patrol missions. Saddly the govenment has sold off some of the old but usable equipment. They could have reissued the sold off items to selected ARNG/USAR units to augment MTOE/TDA allowances for units most likely to support the "Aid to Civil Authorities" missions in disaster relief. Some guard units still have M16A1's instead of M16A2's or M4's, I read in the newspapers recently; So What! I have also read that the M14 has been pressed back into service to some degree recently. (I knew of a unit that had M1911's, yes M1911's not M1911A1'S as late as the 1990's.) The last M14's were made in 1968, yet still work great for seclected applications. So it is with old weapons, and so it is with old Commo. The nation's Guard and Reserves just need the gear in the quanties to support missions when needed, like now.

John

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Subject: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24

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(WA5CAB at cs.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:23:52 -0700 From: "Hue Miller" <kargo_cult at msn.com> Subject: [Milsurplus] M-113 APC Radio? To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV237CC28B55C84975BE5FEEE4940 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1" M-113 APC 'Nam 1960s: what radio did it carry? How about the "Command Post" one, with 4 antenna masts? Tnx -Hue Miller ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:36:18 -0700 From: "Hue Miller" <kargo_cult at msn.com> Subject: [Milsurplus] M-113 APC more To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV196C8B220A52D7BC7DBA34E4940 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, BTW, wanted to have this in my APC query, but forgot it.... "....Every mech platoon or company had one or two or 
five dogs travelling with it. These dogs recruited themselves. We would laager near a village for a few days, a dog would attach itself to us, and when we pulled out we'd have a new platoon member. I do believe one of the big attractions for these dogs was that they got to ride on the tracks....it was neat to see a track go tearing past with a dog perched beside the driver, legs braced...ears flapping in the wind, having the time of its life.....sometimes the dog would be perched in .50 [gun] tub, with its front paws up on the machine gun and a pair of goggles on." Sorry, a little OT, but i don't think this tidbit will rob too much bandwidth. From: "The M-113 APC's Long and Winding Road", by Rick Whitaker, Vietnam magazine, June 2004. This is where i saw the photo of the M-113 with 4 antenna masts- looks like from approximately gun tub to the rear in a line, and it looks like the rearmost mast, approx. just above 
the rear gate, is thicker than the others and may even be guyed. -Hue Miller ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:44:54 -0700 From: "Hue Miller" <kargo_cult at msn.com> Subject: [Milsurplus] "Guard relief hurt by obsolete equipment" To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV102A99AD37D86E671A4C8E4940 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1" USA Today 9/20/05: "Last week, Senators Bond (R-Mo.) and Leahy (D-Vt) wrote President Bush asking for $1.3 billion to buy new equipment for the Guard. Only 34% of the Guard's equipment is available for use in the USA, the letter said, with the worst shortages in trucks, night- vision goggles, engineering equipment, and communications gear. The Guard has historically used hand-me-down equip- ment from the active duty military. For example, the Army Guard is using Vietnam era radios while it needs 37,000 
newer radios, according to a recent Guard budget briefing paper posted on its website." Does this mean the Guard is still using PRC-77 ? -Hue Miller ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:15:57 -0400 From: "Bill Strangfeld" <bstrang at iac.net> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] M-113 APC Radio? To: "Hue Miller" <kargo_cult at msn.com>, <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <000801c5bea6$39a217e0$27026043 at ng.ppp.iac.net> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1" It varied. The M-113 ACAV at the Patton Museum at Fort Knox has one RT-524 and one R-442 auxiliary receiver. (AN/VRC-47?) There is also a VIC-1 intercom system (AM-1780 amplifier and various control boxes) which is hooked into the radios and the driver, TC, and gunners' positions. The M-113 antennas include one AS-1729 for the RT-524. The AS-1729 has a MX-6707 base with AS-1730 lower element and AT-1095 upper 
element. The MX-6707 has motor-tuning that works automatically when the RT-524 frequency is changed. There is also a fixed antenna for the R-442 which uses the AB-15 (?) base and MS-116, 117, and 118 elements. The M-577 command track at the Museum has two RT-524s (AN/VRC-49?) and a VIC-1. These are located on the left side of the rear compartment. The two antennas in that one are AS-1729s. There are two more unused blanking plates on the top armor deck which allow antennas to be added. The M-577 also has brackets on the front left corner which permit the RC-292 antenna system to be installed when the vehicle is parked. The RC-292 is a field portable ground plane antenna on a 30 foot mast. Both the 113 and the 577 have MX-7777 transient suppressors. These appear to be the original systems in these vehicles (no leftover holes from other radios) and they are working. Some M-577s had GRC-106 sets with rtty 
installations. Bill Strangfeld ----- Original Message ----- From: Hue Miller <kargo_cult at msn.com> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:23 AM Subject: [Milsurplus] M-113 APC Radio? > M-113 APC 'Nam 1960s: what radio did it carry? > How about the "Command Post" one, with 4 antenna masts? > Tnx -Hue Miller > ______________________________________________________________ > Milsurplus mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:10:10 -0400 From: BSugarberg <bsugarberg at core.com> Subject: [Milsurplus] RCA Receivers To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <4331BE22.7050107 at core.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; 
format=flowed Hello, My first receiver was an RCA model ARB (CRV-46151) WW2 Navy aircraft receiver, purchased from Fair Radio about 40 years ago. According to the Mil List Database, the ARB was based on the RCA commercial aircraft receiver model AVR-50. Does anyone have any information about the RCA AVR-50 receiver? (A picture would be great!). Any suggestions as to where to look? Does anyone have an ARB they would like to sell? An AVR-50? Accessories and parts? (Manuals, cables, control boxes, etc.). Thank you, Bruce Sugarberg WA8TNC ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:25:49 -0700 From: "Ian Wilson" <ianmwilson at earthlink.net> Subject: [Milsurplus] Identify some small modules? To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <002501c5bef3$1020e9d0$6602a8c0 at TrabucoIan> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII" These are 7" 
x 2.5" x 1.5" and 7" x 2.5" x 2". Contain subminiature tubes (5678, 1AD4, 5783, 5840). All are marked "152-174 MC". I have 3 modules: Local Osc / RF Ampl / 2nd IF Discr. Was wondering what equipment these would be from. Thank you, --ian K3IMW ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:13:52 -0500 From: "Ralph Hogan" <rhogan at hiwaay.net> Subject: [Milsurplus] RE: [Fwd: WW II tech] To: "Milsurplus mailman" <Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>,	<jfor at quik.com> Message-ID: <MBBBIJJNJFCDDLMDBIIOIECOILAA.rhogan at hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii" Correction on the email address: Please respond to: rsimpson38 at comcast.net tnx, Ralph W4XE / AAT4UU milsurplus list admin Subject: looking for WW 2 Navy Radio Techs Got a call today from a fellow who is working toward a book about the WW 2 Navy Radio Tech Service. If you 
were involved or know someone who was, contact Robert simpson at rsimpson8 at comcast.net or 539-4574 (Huntsville.) This would also apply if you run into someone on the air who would have been involved. -- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:00:07 -0500 From: antqradio at juno.com Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Identify some small modules? To: ianmwilson at earthlink.net Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <20050922.000007.2328.1.antqradio at juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Possibly a radio hydrophone (radiosondes ?) receiver? I think the frequency band is right. Regards, Jim On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:25:49 -0700 "Ian Wilson" <ianmwilson at earthlink.net> writes: > These are 7" x 2.5" x 1.5" and 7" x 2.5" x 2". > Contain subminiature tubes (5678, 1AD4, 5783, 5840). > All are marked "152-174 MC". > I have 3 modules: Local Osc / RF Ampl / 
2nd IF Discr. > > Was wondering what equipment these would be from. > > Thank you, > > --ian K3IMW ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:17:43 EDT From: WA5CAB at cs.com Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Identify some small modules? To: antqradio at juno.com, ianmwilson at earthlink.net Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <203.aa74bc3.30639877 at cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I don't know what the modules go to but 152-174 MC is the old VHF FM Hi-Band. Same band as covered by AN/VRC-19. There was a portable set that covered the same band but can't remember the nomenclature right now. Maybe after Rita I'll think of it. In a message dated 9/22/2005 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, antqradio at juno.com writes: > Possibly a radio hydrophone (radiosondes ?) receiver? I think the > frequency band is right. > Regards, > Jim > > On 
Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:25:49 -0700 "Ian Wilson" > <ianmwilson at earthlink.net> writes: > >These are 7" x 2.5" x 1.5" and 7" x 2.5" x 2". > >Contain subminiature tubes (5678, 1AD4, 5783, 5840). > >All are marked "152-174 MC". > >I have 3 modules: Local Osc / RF Ampl / 2nd IF Discr. > > > >Was wondering what equipment these would be from. > > Robert & Susan Downs - Houston <http://www.wa5cab.com> (Web Store) MVPA 9480 <wa5cab at cs.com> (Primary email) <wa5cab at houston.rr.com> (Backup email) ------------------------------ ______________________________________________________________ Milsurplus mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net End of Milsurplus Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24 ******************************************

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