[Milsurplus] TCS-12

[D C Macdonald]

I believe you are correct, Sheldon, but we didn't
have the KC-135s at Carswell AFB.  I think they
and our B-52Fs used the same engines.

We had a B-58 Hustler wing (43d BW, if I remember
right) along with our B-52 wing (7BW/9BS).  I was
an EWO in those days.  The 7th Bomb Wing now has
the B-1 bombers assigned.

Mac, K2GKK/5



----Original Message Follows----
From: sdaitch at ibb.gov
To: D C Macdonald <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] TCS-12
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:58:38 +0900

Seems to me that I recall that the early KC-135
engines were also cartridge startable, alert
situations, just like the below B52 concept.

I don't know if the newer KC-135 engine
systems have that capability or not.

73
Sheldon


----- Original Message -----
From: D C Macdonald <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] TCS-12

 > The B-52s used a cartridge start for alert aircraft.
 > I seem to remember that our B-52Fs used the
 > J-57 engines.  There wasn't enough time to
 > fire up the auxilliary power units (APU) to start
 > engines for an alert drill.  I think the starters
 > may have been on only one engine.  Once one
 > engine was running the others could be fired
 > one at a time until all eight were running.  I
 > seem to remember that it only took about two
 > or three minutes from the time pilots reached
 > the cockpit to get 'em all running.
 >
 > Mac, K2GKK/5
 > B-52F - 7BW/9BS/ArcLight 1965
 >
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: telegrapher at att.net
 > Reply-To: telegrapher at att.net
 > To: Joe Foley <redmenaced at yahoo.com>
 > CC: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
 > Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] TCS-12
 > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:15:21 -0700
 >
 > When i was doing aircraft maintenance we had non electric/air type
 > starters on the J-57/J-75 type engines.  Was quite a bit bigger
 > than a
 > shotgun shell but about the same principle.  Take this big cartridge
 > full of sulfur smelling stuff and stick it in a stainless steel
 > (appeared to be anyway) cover that looked like what you would put over
 > the top of a cake, screw it onto the engine and tell the pilot to get
 > after it.  Lots of black smoke, did it ever stink but it was
 > enough to
 > get the engine rpm over 12-14 % which it then was self sustainable
 > up to
 > 55-60% idle speed.  Lot's a jets used that method.  B-57's were
 > anotherone.  For the Fighter group it was a method of getting the
 > enginerunning if you were set down at an isolated field with no
 > ground power
 > assessable for the Electrical or high pressure air start system.  Sure
 > appreciated a well taken care of battery in them cause without it you
 > wasn't goin nowhere.
 >
 > What this has to do with boatanchors i have no clue.  Don't get me
 > started on stuff like this.  brings back memories.....
 >
 > Larry
 > W0OGH
 >
 >
 > Joe Foley wrote:
 > >
 > > I still get a kick out of the dork whom I asked if
 > > anyone still used the slide-out foot peg to hand crank
 > > their engine starter.  He said, "Oh, that's passe, no
 > > one does that anymore."  Talking down his nose to me
 > > he was.
 > >
 > > I'd still like to see them start their engines with
 > > the shotgun shell.
 > >
 > > Joe
 >
 >
 >