[Milsurplus] TCS-12

[sdaitch at ibb.gov]

Seems to me that I recall that the early KC-135
engines were also cartridge startable, alert
situations, just like the below B52 concept.

I don't know if the newer KC-135 engine
systems have that capability or not.  

73
Sheldon


----- Original Message -----
From: D C Macdonald <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] TCS-12

> The B-52s used a cartridge start for alert aircraft.
> I seem to remember that our B-52Fs used the
> J-57 engines.  There wasn't enough time to
> fire up the auxilliary power units (APU) to start
> engines for an alert drill.  I think the starters
> may have been on only one engine.  Once one
> engine was running the others could be fired
> one at a time until all eight were running.  I
> seem to remember that it only took about two
> or three minutes from the time pilots reached
> the cockpit to get 'em all running.
> 
> Mac, K2GKK/5
> B-52F - 7BW/9BS/ArcLight 1965
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: telegrapher at att.net
> Reply-To: telegrapher at att.net
> To: Joe Foley <redmenaced at yahoo.com>
> CC: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] TCS-12
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:15:21 -0700
> 
> When i was doing aircraft maintenance we had non electric/air type
> starters on the J-57/J-75 type engines.  Was quite a bit bigger 
> than a
> shotgun shell but about the same principle.  Take this big cartridge
> full of sulfur smelling stuff and stick it in a stainless steel
> (appeared to be anyway) cover that looked like what you would put over
> the top of a cake, screw it onto the engine and tell the pilot to get
> after it.  Lots of black smoke, did it ever stink but it was 
> enough to
> get the engine rpm over 12-14 % which it then was self sustainable 
> up to
> 55-60% idle speed.  Lot's a jets used that method.  B-57's were 
> anotherone.  For the Fighter group it was a method of getting the 
> enginerunning if you were set down at an isolated field with no 
> ground power
> assessable for the Electrical or high pressure air start system.  Sure
> appreciated a well taken care of battery in them cause without it you
> wasn't goin nowhere.
> 
> What this has to do with boatanchors i have no clue.  Don't get me
> started on stuff like this.  brings back memories.....
> 
> Larry
> W0OGH
> 
> 
> Joe Foley wrote:
> >
> > I still get a kick out of the dork whom I asked if
> > anyone still used the slide-out foot peg to hand crank
> > their engine starter.  He said, "Oh, that's passe, no
> > one does that anymore."  Talking down his nose to me
> > he was.
> >
> > I'd still like to see them start their engines with
> > the shotgun shell.
> >
> > Joe
> 
> 
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