[Milsurplus] RE: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3
mike nussman
n8azv at msn.com
Thu Mar 3 07:15:38 EST 2005
Sincerely
Mike Nussman
Homeland Defese starts at home...DEFEND IT!
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>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:47:08 -0500 (EST)
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> 1. "Rare" and the Scarcity Scale (David Stinson)
> 2. Re: "Rare" and the Scarcity Scale (w8au at sssnet.com)
> 3. RCA AR-8510 (W. David Paperman)
> 4. RE: "Rare" and the Scarcity Scale (Mike Clarson)
> 5. Re: Re: [BARC-List] Re: OT: Aerospace hardware collectors
> (David Stinson)
> 6. RE: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE (Veenstra, Lester)
> 7. RE: [Microwave] Re: [Milsurplus] Re: [BARC-List] Re: OT:
> Aerospacehardware collectors (J. Gordon Beattie, Jr., W2TTT)
> 8. Re: RE: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE (David Stinson)
> 9. Fwd: [Milsurplus] AZON bomb guidance (Mauricsch at cs.com)
> 10. Re: AZON bomb guidance (J. Forster)
>
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:09:53 -0600
>From: David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: [Milsurplus] "Rare" and the Scarcity Scale
>To: ARC5 at mailman.qth.net, Boatanchors <boatanchors at theporch.com>,
> Milsurplus New mailman <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <4225AD11.8020600 at ix.netcom.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>We were discussing the slippery definition of "rare"
>on another list. I thought I'd post this here
>and advocate it's adoption. It's based both on
>the known examples of sets in private hands
>(and thus available to collectors) and the
>difficulty of acquiring one.
>
>The Scarcity Scale
>
>0: Extinct- No examples of this set are known
> to survive in private hands.
>
>1: Unique- Only one is known to exist.
> Confirmed prototypes and manufacturer's
> "morgue" sets belong here.
> Finding one is a happy accident.
>
>2: Rare- Less than ten of these sets are known to exist.
> You may acquire one or two in a lifetime of collecting.
>
>3: Uncommon- Enough of these sets remain that 3-5 years
> of searching will add them to your collection.
>
>4: Common- This set can be acquired in a short time
> with modest effort.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500
>From: w8au at sssnet.com
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] "Rare" and the Scarcity Scale
>To: Boatanchors <boatanchors at theporch.com>,
> <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050302122247.02802d70 at mail.sssnet.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>At 07:09 AM 3/2/05, David Stinson wrote:
> >We were discussing the slippery definition of "rare"
> >on another list. I thought I'd post this here
> >and advocate it's adoption.
>
>Submit this to Ebay and see if they agree! :-)
>
>
>Perry w8au
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:20:09 -0600
>From: "W. David Paperman" <wpaper at ev1.net>
>Subject: [Milsurplus] RCA AR-8510
>To: Boatanchors <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>,
> milsurplus at mailman.qth.net, RCA <rca at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <422611E9.9050005 at ev1.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>I have decided that I need other toys!
>
>As promised, the denizens of these lists get first chance at acquiring
>the radio.
>
>It is fully operational and has a home brew outboard AC isolated power
>supply.
>
>Cosmetically it shows the normal chips and scratches. No modifications
>to the chassis or front panel. All appears to be original including the
>knobs. I have photographs available on request.
>
>I am more interested in trading than selling. I have requirements
>several items (NOT collectibles) needed to outfit an older Honda
>GoldWing I acquired last week.
>
>1. Icom 706MkIIG: Used is OK but MUST be in excellent operating
>condition. Accessories are not required. SSB Filter would be nice.
>
>OR:
>
>2. Icom 2720 Dual Band transceiver PLUS a compact current model GPS (no
>handheld) capable of being mounted with computer interface and software.
>Map software must come with the unit. Again, used equipment is fine. The
>items must be fully operational.
>
>Cosmetics is not an issue.
>
>We have an active Amateur Radio motorcycle group in the area that is
>committed to provide communications for several public service events
>including a 150 mile bicycle ride. Thus the specific needs.
>
>If there is no response, I guess the next place is the "unmentionable"
>site.
>
>Dave, W5WP
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:51:10 -0500
>From: "Mike Clarson" <mclarson at rcc.com>
>Subject: RE: [Milsurplus] "Rare" and the Scarcity Scale
>To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <008e01c51f69$913146c0$86010c0a at clarson>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Best I can tell is, that when applied to scarcity, the word "ebay" is a
>multiplier prefix, (like kilo or mega). Haven't been able to put an exact
>number on it. I think "ebay rare" (the prefix "ebay" is implied if item is
>viewed on ebay) means at least 5000.--Mike, WV2ZOW
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] "Rare" and the Scarcity Scale
>
>
>At 07:09 AM 3/2/05, David Stinson wrote:
> >We were discussing the slippery definition of "rare"
> >on another list. I thought I'd post this here
> >and advocate it's adoption.
>
>Submit this to Ebay and see if they agree! :-)
>
>
>Perry w8au
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:23:59 -0600
>From: David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Re: [BARC-List] Re: OT: Aerospace hardware
> collectors
>To: "David P. Goncalves" <dpg at coe.neu.edu>
>Cc: Rebecca-Eureka at yahoogroups.com, Ragnar Otterstad
> <otterstad at enter.vg>, "Armyradios @ yahoogroups.com"
> <armyradios at yahoogroups.com>, Milsurplus <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>,
> "Wireless-Set-No19 @ yahoogroups.com"
> <Wireless-Set-No19 at yahoogroups.com>, "Microwave @ qth.net"
> <Microwave at mailman.qth.net>, "J. Forster" <jfor at quik.com>,
> "Forsale-swap @ qth.net" <forsale-swap at mailman.qth.net>, Don Davis
> <dxguy at earthlink.net>, BARC List <barc-list at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <4223B61F.6050204 at ix.netcom.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>Anyone interested in docs and photos from the
>Nuclear Rocket Engine, Project Pluto, of the 70s?
>
>David P. Goncalves wrote:
> >
> > I have a couple things for trade; a Northeastern U. report on the
>systems
> > on the ATCOS-1 satellite, and the conference notes of Alan Shepard's
> > suborbital flight. Looking for hardware. Specifics via email.
> >
> > In a couple years, if somebody is looking for a prototype of a device
>sent
> > into space, send a message. I'll have something then.
> >
> > Dave
> > W1EUJ
> > ______________________________________________________________
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:30:32 -0500
>From: "Veenstra, Lester" <Lester.Veenstra at intelsatgeneral.com>
>Subject: [Milsurplus] RE: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE
>To: <W4AWM at aol.com>, <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID:
> <B6B3C86F8B186D479BBFBEAF927ABE9A2158AA at IGSSREX009917.exmst.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>If for some reason, the teletypes do not sell, I believe I can find a
>place t0 store them as an alternative to the dump if that is necessary.
> 73
> Les K1YCM/3 Frederick MD
>
>Lester Veenstra
>Senior Engineering Program Manager
>Intelsat General
>6550 Rock Springs Drive, Suite 450
>Bethesda Maryland, 20817
>+1-301-571-1212
>e-mail: lester.veenstra at intelsatgeneral.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4AWM at aol.com
>Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:00 PM
>To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE
>
>Here is a list of items that are available from an estate. I would like
>to
>obtain suggested prices and or receive offers for this gear. Please
>note
>that I
>have no financial interest in this. I am only trying to see that the
>estate
>realizes fair and reasonable prices for the equipment. Also note that
>while
>some of this may be shipped on a case by case basis, it is preferred
>that
>arrangements be made to pick it up in person in the northern Washington,
>DC
>suburbs.
>None of this gear has been tested and it is sold as is without warranty
>of
>any
>kind. There have been a number of items sold thanks to the help of list
>members which is much appreciated. As of today, the following is still
>available:
>
>1 ea BE-77-A teletype line current test set
>1 ea TG-7B teletype
>1 ea RA-37 teletype rectifier unit
>1 ea Model 15. Has Associated Press decal attached to the front of
>the
>printer
> cabinet, but decal is in bad shape
>1 ea Teletype table for above. Has Associated Press plate on front
>edge
>1 ea Spare motor for Model 15 or 19. NIB but has been opened
>1 ea TG-7B in wooden case
>1 ea RA-37 Rectifier
>1 ea TT-7FG
>1 ea Teletype Corporation REC-10 Power Supply
>2 ea Boxes of Associated Press teletype ribbons plus one 1/4 full box
>of
>same
>2 ea Small patch panels. Green in color. No patch cords available
>
>PLEASE NOTE: Due to the complexity of packing required to ship the
>larger
>items, local pickup is preferred. If a purchaser requires shipping of
>the
>printers, they will be taken to a professional mover and be created and
>shipped motor
>freight. Advance payment of creating and shipping charges is required
>before
>any packing takes place. Arrangements will be discussed on a case by
>case
>basis.
>
>Please contact me directly for purchasing or information at:
>
>w4awm at aol.com
>
>Thanks and 73,
>
>John, W4AWM
>
>_______________________________________________
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>GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:58:57 -0500
>From: "J. Gordon Beattie, Jr., W2TTT" <vze1u2wn at verizon.net>
>Subject: RE: [Microwave] Re: [Milsurplus] Re: [BARC-List] Re: OT:
> Aerospacehardware collectors
>To: "'David Stinson'" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>, "'David P. Goncalves'"
> <dpg at coe.neu.edu>
>Cc: Rebecca-Eureka at yahoogroups.com, "'J. Forster'" <jfor at quik.com>,
> "'Armyradios @ yahoogroups.com'" <armyradios at yahoogroups.com>,
> 'Milsurplus' <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>, "'Wireless-Set-No19 @
> yahoogroups.com'" <Wireless-Set-No19 at yahoogroups.com>, "'Microwave @
> qth.net'" <Microwave at mailman.qth.net>, 'Ragnar Otterstad'
> <otterstad at enter.vg>, 'Don Davis' <dxguy at earthlink.net>, 'BARC List'
> <barc-list at mailman.qth.net>, "'Forsale-swap @ qth.net'"
> <forsale-swap at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <0ICQ009D2CABUOM0 at vms040.mailsrvcs.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Sounds really cool!
>Was this a NASA effort?
>
>
>Thanks!
>Gordon Beattie
>w2ttt at arrl.net
>201.314.6964
>-----Original Message-----
>From: microwave-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:microwave-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Stinson
>Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:24 PM
>To: David P. Goncalves
>Cc: Rebecca-Eureka at yahoogroups.com; Ragnar Otterstad; Armyradios @
>yahoogroups.com; Milsurplus; Wireless-Set-No19 @ yahoogroups.com; Microwave
>@ qth.net; J. Forster; Forsale-swap @ qth.net; Don Davis; BARC List
>Subject: [Microwave] Re: [Milsurplus] Re: [BARC-List] Re: OT:
>Aerospacehardware collectors
>
>Anyone interested in docs and photos from the
>Nuclear Rocket Engine, Project Pluto, of the 70s?
>
>David P. Goncalves wrote:
> >
> > I have a couple things for trade; a Northeastern U. report on the
>systems
> > on the ATCOS-1 satellite, and the conference notes of Alan Shepard's
> > suborbital flight. Looking for hardware. Specifics via email.
> >
> > In a couple years, if somebody is looking for a prototype of a device
>sent
> > into space, send a message. I'll have something then.
> >
> > Dave
> > W1EUJ
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Milsurplus mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> >
>_______________________________________________
>Microwave mailing list
>Microwave at mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/microwave
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:18:52 -0600
>From: David Stinson <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] RE: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE
>To: "Veenstra, Lester" <Lester.Veenstra at intelsatgeneral.com>
>Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <422649DC.8070705 at ix.netcom.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>Sure wish I was close enough to pick them up.... sigh...
>
>Veenstra, Lester wrote:
>
> > If for some reason, the teletypes do not sell, I believe I can find a
> > place t0 store them as an alternative to the dump if that is necessary.
> > 73
> > Les K1YCM/3 Frederick MD
> >
> > Lester Veenstra
> > Senior Engineering Program Manager
> > Intelsat General
> > 6550 Rock Springs Drive, Suite 450
> > Bethesda Maryland, 20817
> > +1-301-571-1212
> > e-mail: lester.veenstra at intelsatgeneral.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4AWM at aol.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:00 PM
> > To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> > Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE EQUIPMENT FOR SALE
> >
> > Here is a list of items that are available from an estate. I would like
> > to
> > obtain suggested prices and or receive offers for this gear. Please
> > note
> > that I
> > have no financial interest in this. I am only trying to see that the
> > estate
> > realizes fair and reasonable prices for the equipment. Also note that
> > while
> > some of this may be shipped on a case by case basis, it is preferred
> > that
> > arrangements be made to pick it up in person in the northern Washington,
> > DC
> > suburbs.
> > None of this gear has been tested and it is sold as is without warranty
> > of
> > any
> > kind. There have been a number of items sold thanks to the help of list
> > members which is much appreciated. As of today, the following is still
> > available:
> >
> > 1 ea BE-77-A teletype line current test set
> > 1 ea TG-7B teletype
> > 1 ea RA-37 teletype rectifier unit
> > 1 ea Model 15. Has Associated Press decal attached to the front of
> > the
> > printer
> > cabinet, but decal is in bad shape
> > 1 ea Teletype table for above. Has Associated Press plate on front
> > edge
> > 1 ea Spare motor for Model 15 or 19. NIB but has been opened
> > 1 ea TG-7B in wooden case
> > 1 ea RA-37 Rectifier
> > 1 ea TT-7FG
> > 1 ea Teletype Corporation REC-10 Power Supply
> > 2 ea Boxes of Associated Press teletype ribbons plus one 1/4 full box
> > of
> > same
> > 2 ea Small patch panels. Green in color. No patch cords available
> >
> > PLEASE NOTE: Due to the complexity of packing required to ship the
> > larger
> > items, local pickup is preferred. If a purchaser requires shipping of
> > the
> > printers, they will be taken to a professional mover and be created and
> > shipped motor
> > freight. Advance payment of creating and shipping charges is required
> > before
> > any packing takes place. Arrangements will be discussed on a case by
> > case
> > basis.
> >
> > Please contact me directly for purchasing or information at:
> >
> > w4awm at aol.com
> >
> > Thanks and 73,
> >
> > John, W4AWM
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
> > GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Milsurplus mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/milsurplus
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> > Post: mailto:Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> >
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:07:17 EST
>From: Mauricsch at cs.com
>Subject: Fwd: [Milsurplus] AZON bomb guidance
>To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <159.4bfa4792.2f57cb55 at cs.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> tried to post to the group the schematic of the CRW-2 in jpg along with
>a
>followup on AZON. The email was returned. If anyone in the groups needs a
>copy of the schematic of the CRW-2 , AZON or pictures of the bomb, just
>write to
>me and will send them directly
>
>Here is my followup .......
>
>The controlling system for the bomb works on two tone producing three
>functions. The 475 Hz tone steers the bomb to the left, the 3000 Hz tone
>steers the
>bomb to the right. No tone with carrier keeps the bomb centered. The joy
>has
>only three position, unlike the GB-4 glide bomb which has 5 positions.
>
>A Gyro keeps the bomb from spinning, through the ailerons which are
>controlled by solenoids. The rudders which control direction are servo
>motor controlled.
>
>I am not sure if I can post a jpg of the schematic of the CRW-2 receiver,
>but
>I am going to try
>
>I have an extra AZON receiver, would be interested in onther parts of this
>bomb or GB-4.
>
>Maurice Schechter
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:47:30 -0500
>From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quik.com>
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] AZON bomb guidance
>To: Mauricsch at cs.com
>Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <422688D1.B096250A at quik.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Thanks very much. Very interesting, I got the jpg. If you would like to
>post it to the
>Trackpads site, so others can see it, please email me off-list.
>
>Thanks again,
>-John
>
>Mauricsch at cs.com wrote:
>
> > The controlling system for the bomb works on two tone producing three
> > functions. The 475 Hz tone steers the bomb to the left, the 3000 Hz tone
>steers the
> > bomb to the right. No tone with carrier keeps the bomb centered. The joy
>has
> > only three position, unlike the GB-4 glide bomb which has 5 positions.
> >
> > A Gyro keeps the bomb from spinning, through the ailerons which are
> > controlled by solenoids. The rudders which control direction are servo
>motor controlled.
> >
> > I am not sure if I can post a jpg of the schematic of the CRW-2
>receiver, but
> > I am going to try
> >
> > I have an extra AZON receiver, would be interested in onther parts of
>this
> > bomb or GB-4.
> >
> > Maurice Schechter
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
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