Hi Richard, Very helpful info, many thanks. I'll certainly try the trimmers first as I haven't done that. As you say, let's hope that C-114 isn't the culprit! TU, Roger, G3VKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 266.5.3 - Release Date: 01/03/2005