to all in the group that have assisted me , i thank you for it.you have assisted me in making up my mind try to get the art-13. a big thanks goes out to those that have assisted me. highest regards leigh -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31/08/2005