[Milsurplus] surplus SINCGARS???

[Tony Snider]

Last time I was in MD I went to the NSA museum which has a sincgars on
display and asked that very question to a very knowledgeable fellow there
and was told "It is not the radio that is classified but the key material,
and as long as the radio is not loaded with a key it is fine to collect"  I
was a little shocked but who would know better!!

every sincgars radio I have seen to include the RT-1523 and RT-1439 both
have only 1 card that is the com-sec unit, it is held in with 2 screws on
the bottom and is labeled CCI for controlled crypt. material the actual
com-sec device used in both airborne and ground sincgars is a   K G V-10,
the radio will operate just fine in the clear without the card installed,
mine just says "com sec fail" in the self test


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Camp" <ham at cq.nu>
To: "Peter Gottlieb" <nerd at verizon.net>
Cc: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] surplus SINCGARS???


> Hi
>
> Last time I looked inside a Sincgars (it was the ITT version if that
> makes any difference) about 80% of it was frequency hopping and Comsec
> stuff. If you pulled that all out of the radio you would be left with
> very little inside the case. I never got a look at the full blown
> Korean version but my understanding is that it's the same sort of thing
> ....
>
> Take Care!
>
> Bob Camp
> KB8TQ
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that certain capabilities are restricted from the
> > public but that the radios themselves were not illegal to own per se.
> > You cannot have any of the spread spectrum, frequency hopping or
> > encryption hardware but the basic FM radios are fine so long as you
> > restrict them to the ham bands (6 meters).  My list may not be exactly
> > correct but that is the gist of it.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Davidsen"
> > <mike_davidsen at yahoo.com>
> > To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:22 PM
> > Subject: [Milsurplus] surplus SINCGARS???
> >
> >
> >> For those unfamiliar with the SINCGARS radios, last I
> >> heard they were illegal to own.  Something about
> >> restricted COMSEC gear, I don't know the details.
> >> Recently, I noticed several different people on the
> >> internet auction sites selling used good condition
> >> SINCGARS radios for about $1000 to $1500.  They sold
> >> quickly for their asking price.  One seller even had
> >> in his ad that they were surplused out through a non
> >> military entity.  Also stated that they could not be
> >> exported (this would be a definite for any mil commo
> >> gear).  Is this true - the surplus part that is?  Has
> >> someone let go of a few SINCGARS legally, or did these
> >> units get pawned off the reservation, so to speak?
> >> Just curious, not sure if anyone else has noticed this
> >> or not.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> mike_davidsen at yahoo.com
> >>
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