[Milsurplus] Re: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 3, Issue 23
Gary Persons
kd5day at sbcglobal.net
Thu Jul 15 19:05:51 EDT 2004
I was thinking about getting my A+ computer service tech certification. I
bought the book and started studying it. One of the first questions on the
sample test is this:
" A customer brings in a computer. You diagnose the problem as the power
supply. What is the next step?"
Well, the 20+ years of being a component level technician kicks in and I
answer the question that says I would repair the power supply. Wrong, you
would replace the power supply! I almost fell over! But with computer power
supplies running about $40.00, I can understand why you would replace them.
I got a pretty good taste of this when I repaired video games at work. I
had a basket full of switching power supplies that noone could seem to fix.
(Something about none one in the games tech department had any electronics
tech training? NOT the same department I work in now.) I called a vendor to
order some more and when he quoted me a price of $20.00 each, I threw the
broke ones in the trash! And I HATE to throw electronics away!
Like I said folks, blame it on the BIC lighter!
HMMM< I think I need to go the my radio club meeting and come back home and
work on my broke CPRC 8 with those Fleming Valves in it!
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> 1. Broke electronics (Gary Persons)
> 2. Re: Re: Dead electronics and Telegraph Operators - OT
> (Mike Morrow)
> 3. Re: Broke electronics (Sheldon Daitch)
> 4. RE: Need email for KF2MZ (Dan Arney)
> 5. Re: Broke electronics (Marty Reynolds)
> 6. FS: GP-7 plus (telegrapher at att.net)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:38:51 -0500
>From: Gary Persons <kd5day at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [Milsurplus] Broke electronics
>To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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>One of the young techs, 25ish, at my job is in the process of cleaning out
>our electronics/electrical "store room". Now this kids claims to be a
>technician. He came walking into the shop the other day holding a vacuum
>tube. "Does anybody know what this thing is?" I gave him a flock of stuff
>about not knowing his electronics history. I told him is was a Fleming
>Valve! He said OK and handed it to me and walked off! Could have cared less
>at to it's actual use! The so called technicians today are taught how to
>trouble shoot devices using computers and such. There was a time at my job
>that we repaired out own circuit boards and prided ourselves on our
>electronics knowledge. Now we are merely maintenance electricians and board
>swappers. We send the boards out to have them repaired! Unfortunately, I
>have let a lot of my electronics troubleshooting skills slip because I
>don't use them!
>
>It is also a sad state of affairs because it is often cheaper to throw away
>a bad board rather then repair it. The cost of labor has exceeded the cost
>of the new board!
>
>One of my responsibilities in the shop is to insure that everybodies Fluke
>Meters are in good repair. If one goes down, I call Fluke and arrange for a
>repair. Depending on the meter, a lot of the time we will "upgrade" to a
>better meter because Fluke will not repair the older meter because they do
>not build that model anymore!
>
>I am one of the older technicians in the shop. Most of young
>whippersnappers do not even know how to use a Simpson 260 analog meter.
>They see no use for it! There are about 2 of us old farts in the shop that
>use it! The whippersnappers will watch us in amazement! "How do you know
>how to read that "thing"? they ask. "It's magic young'un!"
>
>Jeeze! Kids!
>
>I was told once that the reason we live in a disposable society is because
>of the BIC lighter!
>
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> > 1. Re: Dead Electronics (D C Macdonald)
> > 2. Re: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18 (Patrick Jankowiak)
> > 3. Collins 618S-1 (Patrick Jankowiak)
> > 4. Re: Collins 18S1 (Kenneth G. Gordon)
> > 5. Re: Dead electronics (Patrick Jankowiak)
> > 6. Scientific Radio (Robert Nickels)
> > 7. Re: W2NSD - OT (antqradio at juno.com)
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:16:12 +0000
> >From: "D C Macdonald" <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Dead Electronics
> >To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <Sea1-F53bIwbJjtH6jp0000048c at hotmail.com>
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> >
> >Might that be a possible source of "part-time"
> >income in retirement so that we can continue
> >to buy our expesive toys???
> >
> >73 --- Mac, K2GKK/5
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "Mark Bell" <bell at blazenet.net>
> >To: "Bud Steward" <comradios at yahoo.com>, <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> >Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Dead Electronics
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:01:28 -0400
> >
> >Several weeks ago, I was approached by a member of a local radio club to
> >see if I'd fix their 2M Linear Amplifier. Apparently someone covered the
> >chimney with books during the heat of a contest, and very bad things
> >happend. In the course of the conversation, I asked when it happened.
> >
> >The guy said "Sometime in the early 1990's"!
> >
> >I was dumfounded! I asked if anyone had ever look at it. He said "no" !!
> >
> >Last year, I found a 1 KW linear at another club. One of the members said
> >it didn't work, as it had gotten hit by lightning "five years ago".
> >Again, in all the time, NO ONE had ever bothered to take a peek under the
> >hood.
> >
> >I took it home, and with a few hours had the nuked components replaced, and
> >it was putting out between 200 and 300W!! (Still low, so I guess I didn't
> >get all the problems.....)
> >
> >73 Mark K3ZX
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bud Steward" <comradios at yahoo.com>
> >To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:05 PM
> >Subject: [Milsurplus] Dead Electronics
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This is a concern I have for electronics
> > > and no one I have noticed as yet mentioned it.
> > >
> > > The kids as a whole have little or no interest
> > > in learning much of any of it. Not even as a
> > > Hobby at all. I have always felt it was at least
> > > a good hobby to have.
> > >
> > > You all would be amazed at how few numbers of
> > > people even know how to solder any more. When
> > > teaching the radio merit badge to scouts I have
> > > had numbers of Dads looking over my shoulder that
> > > are EEs and have no idea how to solder at all.
> > > The ones that think do, really don't know how.
> > > But that I have always seen, even in the electronics
> > > trade. Even some of those are scarded to death of
> > > trying any SMT stuff. That is not so bad, really.
> > >
> > > That is my two cents.
> > >
> > > Bud
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >Message: 2
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:15:50 -0500
> >From: Patrick Jankowiak <recycler at swbell.net>
> >Subject: [Milsurplus] Re: Milsurplus Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
> >To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <40F5BEA6.1040601 at swbell.net>
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> >
> >Ahh the 18S1.
> >
> >Now that is a fine radio!
> >I have one, but it is missing all the tuning (tank) coils that
> >plug in, in the center. I have never found any, which is a pity.
> >
> >
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:16:19 -0700
> >From: "Lloyd KK7IZ" <kk7iz at cox.net>
> >Subject: [Milsurplus] Conversions etc
> >
> >
> >Many moons ago I worked occasionally on the shrimp boats on the
> >gulf. One of
> >the going radios was a thing built by a local named DuBose. He
> >took the
> >Collins 18S1 aircraft transmitter, stripped it out and put the
> >pirces in his
> >own case. Remote mounted the big dynamotor and ran it off the
> >ships 32 vdc
> >mains. Did it ever run. One day I was in Houston in a surplus
> >store on Old
> >Spanish Trail, at the curve. They were unloading a truck full of
> >stuff and a
> >Texas Frog strangler was moving in. There was about a dozen of
> >the Collins
> >boxes on the ground. Bought them all for a song, and I can't
> >sing. Got my
> >money back on the first dynamotor I sold.
> >Those were the days.
> >Thanx
> >Lloyd KK7IZ
> >Please visit my web site
> >http://www.lloydsdipsydumpster.com/
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:43:26 -0500
> >From: Patrick Jankowiak <recycler at swbell.net>
> >Subject: [Milsurplus] Collins 618S-1
> >To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <40F5C51E.20104 at swbell.net>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >
> >Anyone ever get the Collins 618S-1 to go above 25MHz?
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:51:46 -0700
> >From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon at moscow.com>
> >Subject: [Milsurplus] Re: Collins 18S1
> >To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <40F564A2.7460.2112D17 at localhost>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> >On 14 Jul 2004 at 18:15, Patrick Jankowiak wrote:
> >
> > > Ahh the 18S1.
> > >
> > > Now that is a fine radio!
> >
> >Anyone have any photos or data on this?
> >
> >Ken W7EKB
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 5
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:14:24 -0500
> >From: Patrick Jankowiak <recycler at swbell.net>
> >Subject: [Milsurplus] Re: Dead electronics
> >To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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> >
> >Here's a short story of the decline of the electronics service
> >industry. It's a narrow and jaded view, but representative I
> >think. It's my ride on the bomb as it was dropped.
> >
> >I began repairing TV sets in 1980, still alot of tube stuff, and
> >modular, works in a drawer. I also rebuilt the modules. We used
> >to replce the module, then rebuild it for the next job. I opened
> >my own shop in 1984, and repaired stereos, TV's VCR's, microwave
> >ovens, and started to repair personal computers. I also
> >specialized in antique tube radio repair. In 1995, I sold the
> >business to an enthusiastic young man with some money. He
> >immediately raised the all the prices by 25% and was out of
> >business in 3 years due to losing the customer base.
> >
> >In 1995 I went to work for Sony's Business and Professional
> >group, repairing broadcast monitors, analog and digital tape
> >gear, high definition monitors, and analog and digital video
> >effects switchers. All component-level troubleshooting. If you
> >ever wanted to know how to trouble shoot a digital effects
> >switcher to component level, see my little article:
> >http://www.montagar.com/~patj/dfs.htm
> >
> >But I digress,
> >A year after I started there, they replaced the paper system of
> >job tracking with a computer system. You ran a terminal program
> >on a PC, which connected to a mainframe and kept the job records.
> >
> >OOPS! An engineer could no longer bill out more than 8 hours a
> >day and profits dropped drastically. Previously, we were told to
> >bill what the estimate was approved for. Now, we had to use the
> >computer to enter the 'clock' labor time instead of the
> >'approved' labor time, and so it was impossible to work on more
> >than one thing at a time (like of two or three), as we had done
> >before.
> >
> >Management tried to compensate by demanding more numbers of
> >equipment fixed, but it changed nothing monetarily and decreased
> >quality. Then they recanted, and we spent the appropriate amount
> >of time on each job to restore the famous Sony Service Quality.
> >My average repeat rate was 0.7% (which I am rather proud of by
> >the way)
> >
> >Two years after I started there, they decided to stop hiring
> >experienced mature engineers and begin hiring what us old farts
> >called "20-20's". A 20 year old with no experience and maybe
> >still in the process of earning an associates degree, who would
> >work for $20K/yr and like it.
> >
> >I was pretty cheezed off when one punk kid and I both applied for
> >a field engineer job. He got it (never mind my 20 years
> >experience to his 9 months). So no big deal, managers are stupid
> >sometimes, but if you recall the last Olympics held in Japan, and
> >then something in Australia in the outback (huge contracts for
> >Sony who leases and sets up all the gear for the networks, I mean
> >a massive system), he refused to go, because he said was afraid
> >of travel overseas due to religious and safety issues, and kept
> >talking about Japanese geisha houses of sin, heathens, snakes,
> >and scorpions. So it's not all the companies, it is the workforce
> >that is becoming / has become defective. My manager admitted his
> >mistake to me later and told me I was right, but I never did get
> >the field job.
> >
> >They also expected us to train the 2020's, and then secretly
> >intended to replace us with them in order to cut their payroll to
> >maybe 1/3 or so. One of us discovered their plan, (don't hold
> >management concalls in a room next to the senior engineer's desk)
> >and we stopped helping them do anything.
> >
> >The evil plan thwarted, things went ok for us, leaving the 2020's
> >to repair VHS recorders and standard video monitors, and 8mm
> >camcorders (as befitting their level of experience) and even
> >these they had alot of 'repeat' work with. Management tried to
> >fix it by sending them (instead of us) to the more advanced Sony
> >trainings, but it didn't really do any good because the goofy
> >kids had an attention span about as long as their shorthairs. It
> >proves you can send a monkey to class to learn to repair a
> >digital betacam deck, but he'll never be able to do it because he
> >has marbles for brains. This really frustrated the management..
> >When the 2020's would ask how to align something, we'd say, "I
> >don't know, did you read the manual?" (yes the 5 of us 'old
> >farts' agreed over a lunch, to withdraw our knowledge base from
> >the children in order to protect our jobs in the face of the
> >evidence -it's called survival)
> >
> >I was pretty cheezed off when one punk kid and I both applied for
> >a field engineer job. He got it. So no big deal, but if you
> >recall the last Olympics held in Japan, and then something in
> >Australia on the outback (huge contracts for Sony who sets up all
> >the gear), he refused to go, because he said was afraid of travel
> >overseas, kept talking about heathens and scorpions. I laughed in
> >his face and told him to be a man. In front of the boss. So it's
> >not all the companies, it is the workforce that is becoming
> >defective.
> >
> >Three years later Sony closed the service departments across the
> >country and consolidated it all in Norcross GA.
> >
> >Now, the Sony Norcross Service Center is what we call a
> >boiler-room or a sweatshop. We sent a spy there and have images.
> >They don't wanna see nothin but 10,000 square feet of a55#0135
> >and elbows. Instead of a 15x20 work area with workbench, desk,
> >computer, phone, and three 7' racks of test equipment per
> >engineer like in Dallas, Norcross has half a desk per technician
> >(which is also the workbench), no phones (phones waste time), a
> >3' rack with a video monitor and cheap scope and signal generator
> >that sits on the desk, and a computer that only runs the work
> >application (no internet or research -it wastes time). There is
> >real test gear, but it is rolled around in a few racks and shared
> >10-1. Oh yeah, they work shifts, so you hot-seat with the next
> >guy, and share the provided hand tools with him and everything
> >else including his diseases and biohazards. So-called 'team
> >leaders' go around and show the unwashed masses what to check
> >next as they ignorantly swap out boards until the thing works (it
> >is not allowed to component-level troubleshoot. that is a waste
> >of time.) -So they keep 'em dumbed down, and basically they're
> >trapped in Norcross at a dead end job.
> >
> >I declined the Sony offer to move to Norcross and have not
> >regretted it. It would be like moving from the taj mahal to a
> >cardboard box, and someone kicking the box.
> >
> >So is partially chronicled my bumpy ride with Sony Service as
> >they suicidally lost sight of quality and became no better than
> >Panasonic Service.
> >
> >This year I hear that Sony is going to open up some service
> >centers, and try to recover their reputation. Too late probably.
> >They'll never get the good engineers back that they lost (nor the
> >big money customers).
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 6
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:13:55 -0500
> >From: "Robert Nickels" <w9ran at oneradio.net>
> >Subject: [Milsurplus] Scientific Radio
> >To: "Mil Surplus List" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> >Message-ID: <000901c46a22$25eeb610$6501a8c0 at pavillion>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >I know it'll be a longshot since nothing turns up on a web search, but does
> >anyone have docs for a Scientific Radio SR-210 transceiver? Or know
> >anything about this radio?
> >
> >Thanks and 73,
> >Bob W9RAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 7
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:54:53 -0500
> >From: antqradio at juno.com
> >Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] W2NSD - OT
> >To: k2gkk at hotmail.com
> >Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> >Message-ID: <20040715.005453.212.7.antqradio at juno.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >I investigated further and the author's bio said he was in that part of
> >the world, strange!
> >
> >On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:20:25 +0000 "D C Macdonald" <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
> >writes:
> > > Jim, I believe that is an Arab or Turk proverb, but maybe not.
> > > In any event, it's been around a long time!
> > >
> > > Mac, K2GKK/5
> >
> >
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:50:02 -0500
>From: "Mike Morrow" <kk5f at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Re: Dead electronics and Telegraph Operators
> - OT
>To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>Message-ID: <001901c46a72$a16fef20$8ce479a5 at tiger1>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>How about the ultimate out-of-date device...the commercial radiotelegrapher?
>
>I got my Second Class Radiotelegraph license about 25 years ago after
>leaving the Navy. The FCC exam form was dated 1964, covered in essence only
>vacuum-tube technology, and was ten percent essay and schematic drawing.
>The primary use of commercial radiotelegraphers was as merchant marine
>at-sea and on-shore operators as required by IMO SOLAS requirements. But
>everyone knew it was a dead-end career well before that time. Morse
>phase-out was inevitable. I had been one of the few people in the Navy who
>actually enjoyed going to sea, so I considered briefly a tour as a civilian
>radio officer with the Military Sealift Command. Much better judgement
>directed me instead to my current nuclear generating engineer career.
>
>The commercial telegrapher position essentially vanished completely in 1999
>when all US commercial Morse stations closed with the implementation of the
>GMDSS. I guess that available Morse operators must have become scarce for a
>while about ten years earlier, because in the late 1980s I received a
>package of material from one of the merchant radio officer unions
>encouraging me to join and train to fill vacant at-sea positions, and
>offering a rather decent salary/benefits package. I suppose they must have
>sent out that solicitation to all licence holders on record.
>
>I dropped my telegraph license several years ago. There wasn't much point
>to renewing. I wonder why the FCC still issues telegraph licenses.
>
>I regretted it when the FCC abolished the First Class Telephone license in
>1981. I guess the only valid commercial license I have now is that cheesy
>general radiotelephone certificate that was issued in place of renewing
>first and second class phone licenses. I haven't had much interest in
>obtaining GMDSS licenses.
>
>73,
>Mike / KK5F
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:31:31 -0400
>From: Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch at ibb.gov>
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Broke electronics
>To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <40F69543.7D74569E at ibb.gov>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Gary,
>
>I suppose the same technology that has given us $80 DVD
>players is also that same technology that allows
>us to manufacture boards for less money than it costs to
>trouble-shoot 'em.
>
>I don't know which is better, tho, I think from the
>business model, it is a better deal, but from the personal
>standpoint, it could go either way.
>
>With me, at least I will take a look at something before
>I trash it, maybe I can fix it, maybe not.
>
>Had a problem with the Sharp Microwave at the house,
>a few weeks ago, it quit working. I realized that the
>timer would still count down, so I popped the cover off,
>and found that one of the three micoswitches (actually ones
>made by Omron) was erratic, so in typical ham fashion, I
>had to figure out how to get the switch out, and opened up,
>to burnish some contacts, and get it going again. Meanwhile,
>it mounts not with screws but with plastic tabs from the
>subassembly, and after ten years the plastic (you guessed it)
>gets brittle, so I have to jury rig tie-wraps to secure the
>switch in place, yet operate properly. (And had to open it
>up twice!! Lucky me.)
>
>Then I see over at WallyWorld, similar units, power and
>size, for under $50. At least I saved the $50, but there was
>no way a service shop would have done the job for much
>less than that. Especially since they would have most
>probably installed at least one new switch, and no doubt
>the plastic subassembly would break and they'd have to get
>one of those too. A shop would not have sent the unit out
>the way I fixed it, at least, hopefully not, but I can live with
>what I've done, and I know what to look for the next time it
>dies.
>
>73
>Sheldon
>WA4MZZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Gary Persons wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It is also a sad state of affairs because it is often cheaper to throw away
> > a bad board rather then repair it. The cost of labor has exceeded the cost
> > of the new board!
> >
> >
> > Jeeze! Kids!
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:19:03 -0700
>From: "Dan Arney" <hankarn at pacbell.net>
>Subject: [Milsurplus] RE: Need email for KF2MZ
>To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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>I need the email addy for Daid J. Latta KF2MZ of Chenango Forks NY. Has
>unlisted
>#
>TIA
>Hank
>KN6DI
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:30:56 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Marty Reynolds" <cosmoline at ba-watch.org>
>Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Broke electronics
>To: "Sheldon Daitch" <sdaitch at ibb.gov>
>Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID:
> <2756.208.236.113.138.1089919856.squirrel at fracas.netboobie.org>
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>
> >> Had a problem with the Sharp Microwave at the house,
> > a few weeks ago, it quit working. I realized that the
> > timer would still count down, so I popped the cover off,
> > and found that one of the three micoswitches .....
>
>This is the sign of a curse. The kiss of the junk fairy & I'm
>not talkin' rainbow alliance
>
>Have a Sampo 19" color TV that's a similar case. Line transient
>took out logic supply 3 yrs back & fixed it with a wall wart.
>
>Another event a year back caught me outa town My wife brought it to
>a responsible TV guy that wretched when he saw the Y2K fix.
>But not to worry, wife brought it back & I found it to be the
>line fuse upon my return
>
>OK, July's line transient took out 1 1n4007 and the 7 ohm PS surge
>resistor.
>
>What's the saying about "3s charm?"
>
>You know, there's plain no sense to this behavior since a new 19-incher
>is but 100 bux.
>
>A curse, I rest my case
>
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:34:02 -0700
>From: telegrapher at att.net
>Subject: [Milsurplus] FS: GP-7 plus
>To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>Message-ID: <40F6F84A.26D649D3 at att.net>
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>I'd like to offer this GP-7 and accessories.
>
>It's NIB, outer box has a corner chewed out but nothing to the inside.
>BOx and transmitter serial numbers agree. It has one tuning unit in the
>transmitter and 3 more in original steel carrying cases. It also comes
>with an original excellent condition Pilots operating control box and an
>Operators control box also like new condition. There 1 operations
>manual and several others with data pertaining to the transmitter and
>operating conditions. I also have the antenna matching unit, also like
>new condx and several cables with connectors, also originals. There may
>be others i haven't seen or matched up with this unit yet. There are
>also numerous plastic/lexan or whatever they called it back then sheets
>with tuning data for the unit. This transmitter is in the original box
>with the label from the company from which it was shipped. There also
>is a canvas cover that is tucked into one of the side pockets of the
>box, doesn't look like it was ever taken out of the box, that goes with
>this and has marked "GP-7" on the inside surface. Whether it's for the
>top or front, i don't know.
>
>This is a one time find. BTW, the serial number on the Pilots control
>box matches the one on the cardboard transmitter box. As it's quite
>heavy, i am not able to get it out of the box for picture taking but i
>have some pictures of the assorted accessories. I will be glad to take
>more pictures and send them to anyone who is definitely hard copy
>interested. You may never find anything like this again.
>
>As it's NIB condition, i've not done anything with it other than look it
>over. There's no reason why it shouldn't operate if that's what you
>want to do with it.
>
>Ask questions if you need to. I'll deliver up to one days drive for the
>cost of gas and food. That's about 400 miles with this pickup.
>
>Price: $650 plus shipping from zip 85233
>
>Larry
>W0OGH
>
>
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