[MilCom] Navigation point question

Greg Brazil baycomm at earthlink.net
Thu Feb 5 10:59:11 EST 2009 

Lee, thanks for the list.  I looked up some points on the Bravo track 
from Calif to Hawaii and they are listed "OP" so I'm thinking OP is 
Ocean Pacific & OA is Ocean Atlantic.
Greg (SF Bay Area)

Lee- KI4NEJ wrote:
> OK folks, here's where your tax dollars return some value to you in a very small way:
> 
> I've been an air traffic controller since 1982. While I'm far from 
> knowing everything, I do know where to look most things up as they 
> pertain to ATC.
> 
> The FAA has a myriad of publications on-line, and Joint Order (JO) 
> 7350.8(series), Location Identifiers, is one of them.
> 
> It is *the* governing book on Identifiers in US airspace. You can Encode 
> and Decode. And just like a bad infomercial, "But wait, there's more..."
> 
> You can also look up Airspace Fixes by letter. One thing to remember 
> about navigational fixes- they just have to be pronounceable- proper 
> spelling takes a backseat (especially since each fix has to have it's 
> own spelling- two fixes may sound alike "woods" but can be spelled 
> WOODS, WOODZ, WUUDS, etc).
> 
> Ok, enough with Airspace 101- here's the link:
> 
> http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/LID/LIDHME.htm
> 
> or tiny url:	http://tinyurl.com/Location-IDs
> 
> Scroll down to Section 6, Assignment Listings, Subsection P, Airspace 
> Fixes, and you can look them up by letter.
> 
> For the two fixes in question:
> 
> RESQU OA	37-28-45.8700N 071-26-49.8000W
> 
> FUBRR MD	OTT*C*051.96/45.29 BAL*C*088.67
> 		39-15-57.3500N 076-05-41.5900W
> 
> Notes-
> 
> 1. The fix name is followed by the state where the fix is located. For 
> RESQU, I believe OA is Oceanic Airspace. Obviously, for FUBRR, it's 
> located in Maryland.
> 
> 2.  The FUBRR information first gives the Radial/DME cut off of the two 
> forming NAVAIDS- in this case, the Nottingham VOR 052 Radial 
> (rounded-up) at 45 DME and the Baltimore 089 Radial. Where those two 
> radials intersect is the point in space where the fix is located.
> 
> Look around and investigate a bit, and this could become a handy tool.
> 
> Lee
> 
> mdmonitor1 at verizon.net wrote:
>> Sheldon,
>> 
>> thanks for the tip. Checked it out and they list FUBAR as somewhere out 
>> west i.e 36N/111W area. Don't see why flts in the MD/VA area should be 
>> ref'ing this one.  Must be another one somewhere in this area.
>> 
>> Ron
>> Baltimore MD
>> VHF/UHF: BC-895XLT/RS Pro-2045
>> Diamond D-130J discone
>> HF: Icom R75 & Sangean ATS 909
>> 45-ft EF-SWL & 70-ft random wire
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at  8:06 AM, Sheldon Daitch wrote:
>> 
>>  > Here might be an offbeat unofficial source, probably somewhat
>> dated source.
>> 
>> Go to:
>> 
>> _http://www.geocities.com/lh4503/_Â  <http://www.geocities.com/lh4503/>
>> 
>> There are four choices for flilght simulation
>> files.  There is a FIXES notepad in the compressed
>> full file.
>> 
>> This is probably the URL:
>> 
>> _http://www.geocities.com/lh4503/nd11.zip_Â  
>> <http://www.geocities.com/lh4503/nd11.zip>.
>> 
>> DILIS seemed to be right.
>> 
>> FUBAR is listed.
>> 
>> Considering the age, I'd guess many of the GPS
>> fixes are not listed.
>> 
>> Sheldon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _mdmonitor1 at verizon.net_ <mailto:mdmonitor1 at verizon.net>Â  
>> <mailto:mdmonitor1 at verizon.net>Â wrote:
>>  > John
>>  > Jordan,
>>  >
>>  > I hear some flightds mention RESCUE as well.  Ther's anotehr one down
>>  > on my area somewhere FUBAR or FOOBR or something like it.  At first I
>>  > thought it was ex-military pilot just fooling around but I've heard it
>>  > too much.  I can';t find it anywhere on Landigns or even Googlingit.
>>  >
>>  > Ron
>>  > Baltimore MD
>>  >
>>  >Â 
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:55 AM, JohnFB wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> tnx /jordan ..... I did that twice today and when I looked them up,
>>  > their flt plns didn't go near the water ???????
>>  >
>>  > So I must have mis-heard their c/s ...... and I was being lazy and
>>  > hoping someone would do my work for me   :)))))
>>  >
>>  > JohnFB
>>  > Franklin Co. - Western Massachusetts - USA
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Jordan Hayes <__jmhayes at speakeasy.net__ 
>> <mailto:_jmhayes at speakeasy.net_>Â  <mailto:_jmhayes at speakeasy.net_>Â 
>>  > <_mailto:jmhayes at speakeasy.net_Â  <mailto:jmhayes at speakeasy.net>>Â 
>> <_mailto:jmhayes at speakeasy.net_Â  <mailto:jmhayes at speakeasy.net>>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Here's what I would do: find a flight that references
>>  >> is, then look it
>>  >> up on flightaware.com and check the filed flight plan to
>>  >> see if it's
>>  >> listed.  Otherwise, take that flight plan and go to
>>  >> skyvector.com and
>>  >> type it in and take a close look at the route that it
>>  >> plots.
>>  >>
>>  >> /jordan
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
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