[MilCom] WAS KC-45 Bases; now F-117

Tue Mar 11 23:55:17 EST 2008

I would think the Raptor can carry anything and above what a Nighthawk 
can carry. I'm sure not every mission it's gonna be loaded down with 
AIM's.

Sad to see the 117 go. Even 30 years later it still has quite a oooh 
and ahhh appeal considering the fact it's not a common site to the 
public (Doubt it makes too many cross country's :) )

Adam
Marietta,GA
VFA-203 Forever
12/21/70-10/04/06 - The End, Baby...!

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Mantick <wb9omc at yahoo.com>
To: Milcomm <Milcom at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: [MilCom] WAS KC-45 Bases; now F-117

ANYthing that flies, for all practical purposes, can
have a "ground attack capability". A C-130, for
example, can kick "fuel-air" munitions out the back
door; they're HUGE and designed originally to clear
LZ's for choppers but were found to have, er, "other
uses".

What I question on the F22 is what can it carry in
it's *internal* bays vs. what the F117 could carry -
if the F22 is to remain stealthy, the external areas
must remain "clean" *barring* some kind of store and
pylon that is, by itself, "stealth designed".  Anybody
seen such a thing? I am aware of things like "stealth
cruise missile" designs, but everything that I saw or
had reference to was far too large to be carried by
EITHER the F22 or F117.  More likely a carry for the
B2.

The F117 designation was misleading, to be sure.  I
read a story quite some years back about one theory of
how that came about.  I'll have to look it up and see
if I can find that one.  There was some humor in that
someplace if I'm thinking of the right story....

Duane

--- Joe Cobb <gunslinger37217 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The F-22 does have air to ground attack capability.
> One of it's first tests after being assigned to
> Langley's 1st FW was to fly non-stop via air
> refueling
> and to drop some precision guided bombs at Hill AFB
> prior to landing.  It was to demonstrate the
> aircraft's ability to fly long distances and deliver
> ordinance and the mission was a success.  It is a
> true
> stealth fighter so to speak.  I think designating
> the
> Nighthawk as a fighter was kind of a misnomer since
> a/a wasn't in it's mission profile.  I guess F-117
> sounded better than A-117.
>
> Whether the Raptor will "replace" the F-117 in that
> type of capability is yet to be seen.  But it is
> more
> than capable of air to ground stikes using only
> internal weapons.  It think in the original post, at
> least i took it as the F-22A is replacing the F-117
> at
> that base (Holloman AFB).  And that's true.  The
> F-22A
> is the next operational fighter based at Holloman
> AFB.
>  I just can't believe the F-117 is out the door.  I
> only got to see it like two or three times.
>
> On a side note:  My FIRST EVER milair reception on
> UHF
> courtesy of the legendary Pro-43 in 1995 was an air
> refueling with a tanker, of course, on AR-203
> (238.9)
> and the reciever was?  You guessed it STEALTH 91
> (F-117A) coming off an airshow flyby in West
> Tennessee.
>
> Joe
> Nashville, Tn
>
>
> --- Duane Mantick <wb9omc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, I'll believe it when I see it.  :-)
> >
> > Duane
> > WB9OMC
> >
> > --- Don Edwards <warthog1 at citlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I was told last year (that the F-117's would be
> > > replaced by  F-22's)  by an
> > > F-117 Pilot.
> > > He also did say that they would probably keep a
> > > couple 117's around for
> > > airshows this year.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don Edwards
> > > Northville, NY
> > > www.apex-aviation-photography.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jack L. Metcalfe" <jlmetcalfe at hughes.net>
> > > To: <milcom at mailman.qth.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MilCom] WAS KC-45 Bases; now F-117
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 10:38 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:
> > > >>Excuse me gentlemen, what does this have to do
> > > with military radio
> > > >>communications?  You guys can have all the
> > > opinions you want, but it is
> > > >>just a opinion.  Wait for the facts and please
> > > take this private.  This is
> > > >>not meant to start a war, just my opinion.
> > > >>Greg
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > What does this have to do with military radio
> > > communications?  Did you
> > > > actually read the post?  Wait, I'll interpret
> it
> > > and it's actually quite
> > > > simple.  The F-117s are due to be taken out of
> > > service in April, so you
> > > > won't be able to hear (military radio
> > > communications) them any more.
> > > > F-22s are said to be the F-117s replacements,
> so
> > > you might start hearing
> > > > (military radio communications) them instead
> of
> > > the F-117s.  Duane thinks
> > > > (comments snipped to get to the point) F-22s
> as
> > > replacements for F-117s
> > > > just doesn't add up & suggests listening
> > (military
> > > radio communications)
> > > > for possibly something entirely different.  If
> > > that doesn't pertain to
> > > > military radio communications, I'll eat my
> > MILCOM
> > > hat....even though I
> > > > don't have one.  Better than that, maybe Larry
> > Van
> > > Horn can chime in here,
> > > > after all, MILCOM is his baby.  If Larry says
> > it's
> > > off topic and all we
> > > > should be posting are control tower
> frequencies
> > > from Alaska, then I
> > > > promise to go away forever....
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > >>Duane Mantick wrote:
> > > >>>--- "Jack L. Metcalfe"
> <jlmetcalfe at hughes.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>><snip>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Change of subject, catch your F-117s while
> you
> > > can. The remaining F-117s
> > > >>>>will be placed into "recallable" storage at
> > > >>>>Holloman AFB next month.  Of the original 59
> > > F-117s, 7 were destroyed
> > > >>>>(one in combat) 10 were retired in FY 2007 &
> > the
> > > remainder will go
> > > >>>>this FY.  Holloman may be flying the F-22 as
> a
> > > replacement.
> > > >>>>-------------------
> > > >>>>Jack L. Metcalfe
> > > >>>>Stanford, KY
> > > >>>>jlmetcalfe at hughes.net
> > > >>>>-------------------
> > > > ---
> > > > Comment edited:
> > > >
> > > >>>Jack - replacing the F-117 with F-22 is
> > unlikely
> > > - so
> > > >>>far as I can tell, the F-22's original F/A
> > > designation
> > > >>>
> > > >>>indication, at least of training
> > missions....but,
> > > I
> > > >>>did speculate that good refuelled range may
> > have
> > > been
> > > >>>a design characteristic.  Listening for "the
> > > unusual"
> > > >>>in odd places might be of value......
> > > >>>Duane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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