1510z Hearing 2 aircraft A/A calculating about future weight loads with their 60+cadets and their baggage on CG secondary 379.0500 and fuel loads of 38k.Callsigns to each other were 03 to 05 and vice versa. Could be HC-130J's 2003 and 2005 Mark Maryland ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.