[MilAir] Navy MARS will be gone 30 Sept

Wed Jun 3 14:42:06 EDT 2009

The Chief Navy MARS msg quoted only said that the Navy (NNWC) wasn't interested in continuing Navy MARS, but that OPNAV and SECNAV haven't approved firing the bullet yet. Para 2 of quoted msg applies.

We received a msg here in the DC area essentially saying "not so fast", so it is not fait accompli.

Stay tuned (pun), the saga continues!

As John Paul Jones said, "Don't give up the ship"!

73 Tom/Pax River, MD

Tom Clarke
Wyle Labs,  Aeronautics
NATOPS Program Support Specialist
USN/USMC National Airworthiness Office
Naval Air Systems Command, AIR-4.0P
(301) 995-3793/DSN 995-3793
Fax: (301) 757-6599
Cell (301) 904-2053
frederic.clarke at navy.mil
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:10:55 EDT
From: AllanStern at aol.com
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	2009
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but:

DE NNN0ASA 040
R 162200Z MAY 2009
FM CHNAVMARCORMARS WILLIAMSBURG  VA
TO ALNAVMARCORMARS
INFO ZEN/CHIEF ARMY MARS FT HUACHUCA AZ
ZEN/CHIEF  AIR FORCE MARS SCOTT AFB IL
BT

UNCLAS

SUBJ: CHNAVMARCORMARS  BCST 03-09

A. DOD DIRECTIVE 4650.2 DTD 26 JAN 1998
B. DOD INSTRUCTION  4650.02 (PROPOSED) NOTAL

1. COMMANDER, NAVAL NETWORK WARFARE COMMAND  (NNWC) HAS DECIDED TO 'SUNSET' 
THE MARS MISSION WITHIN NAVY AS OF 30 SEP 2009.  NNWC HAS REQUESTED ALL 
MILITARY BILLETS AND MY CIVILIAN POSITION BE DELETED AND  UNFUNDED AFTER THAT 
DATE. OPNAV HAS NOT YET APPROVED THIS REQUEST.

2. ALL  THREE MARS SERVICES HAVE OPERATED UNDER THE MANDATE OF REF A, WHICH 
IS STILL  VALID. REF B IS A PROPOSED UPDATE TO REF A AND IS IN THE PROCESS 
OF BEING  COORDINATED BETWEEN DOD AND THE THREE SERVICES. REF B INCREASES 
THE SERVICES  REQUIREMENT TO SUPPORT THE MARS PROGRAMS WITHIN THEIR SERVICE. 
ARMY AND AIR  FORCE HAVE AGREED TO THE CHANGES BUT NAVY (OPNAV) HAS ASKED TO 
BE LET OUT OF  THIS REQUIREMENT. THIS NEGOTIATION IS STILL IN PROCESS AND WE 
DO NOT KNOW WHEN  IT WILL BE RESOLVED.

3. AS A CONSEQUENCE OF NNWC DECISION TO 'SUNSET' THE  MARS MISSION, I AM 
FORCED TO INITIATE ACTION TO CLOSE DOWN NAVY-MARINE CORPS  OPERATIONS AND 
FACILITIES BY 30 SEP 2009. ACCORDINGLY: 

A. AREA DIRECTORS WILL TRANSFER ALL MEMBERSHIP RECORDS TO HQ NLT THAN 31  
JUL 2009. WHEN RECORDS HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED, STATE DIRECTORS WILL SEND ALL  
MEMBERSHIP RELATED MATTERS DIRECTLY TO CHNAVMARCORMARS VICE THE AREA  
DIRECTOR.

B. AREA DIRECTORS WILL CLOSE DOWN THEIR OFFICES AND TURN  IN ALL EQUIPMENT 
TO DRMO NOT LATER THAN 30 SEP 2009.

C. NONE OF  THE EQUIPMENT AT THE AREA DIRECTORS STATIONS WILL BE ALLOWED TO 
BE TRANSFERRED  TO ANY MEMBERS. THE EQUIPMENT MAY BE TRANSFERRED TO OTHER 
OFFICIAL NAVY  ORGANIZATIONS (LIKE MWR OR SPECIAL SERVICES) TO HELP EQUIP OR 
START UP MILITARY  RECREATION STATIONS. THESE TRANSFERS WILL BE APPROVED BY 
HQ ON A CASE-BY-CASE  BASIS.

4. IF NAVY'S REQUEST TO BE DELETED FROM REF B IS NOT APPROVED, THERE  WILL 
BE A NAVY-MARINE CORPS MARS PROGRAM BUT IT WILL NOT HAVE AREA DIRECTORS  
(THEY WILL HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED). ALL MEMBERSHIP CORRESPONDENCE WILL BE 
HANDLED  BETWEEN THE STATE DIRECTOR AND CHIEF, NAVMARCORMARS DIRECTLY. AREA DEPUTY 
 DIRECTOR AND AREA STAFF POSITIONS WILL BE RETAINED TO COORDINATE FREQUENCY 
 MATTERS, TRAINING, ETC. ALL OPERATIONAL MATTERS WILL BE HANDLED BY STATE 
AND  REGION DIRECTORS.

5. I WILL INFORM YOU AS SOON AS I FIND OUT THE FINAL RESOLUTION OF  NAVY'S 
REQUEST TO 'SUNSET' NAVY-MARINE CORPS  MARS.

BT
NNNN    

AL STERN  Satellite Beach  FL
AllanStern at aol.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Denny B <raven21 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [MilAir] Fwd: [MilRadioComms] Navy MARS will be gone 30
	Sept	2009
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Reference to Navy Mars being gone are total BS. We Mars memmbers received confirmation this week. Stop sending rumors.