[Meteor-Scatter] CLX and FSK441

[Ulrich Hilsinger]

Hello,

Joop, you are not right in this point. If one is only interested in MS, 
your argument is ok. But please do not forget that many of us are 
interested in wide spread fields withing DXing. For example, my personal 
DXing interests range from 80m to 70cm. At least for some of those bands 
or at least at certain times, the use of DX Cluster can be usefull.
But with the actual BIG amount of MS-related selfspotting or even 
information exchange in Cluster, the risk is high to loose informations 
just due to the big amount of - sorry - useless spots. And that's not 
just a problem only for me, but for the whole HAM community using the 
DX-cluster.

Some (more than 5) years ago, the VHF community started to use the 
world-wide packet convers network (after some good experiences we made 
the time before with a regional VHF DX convers network in DL). THIS is 
the right place for those "self-spotting" activities.
Please leave the cluster free from self-spots and similar information 
exchange, it only reduce the real performance of the Cluster for ALL 
users, at least for those which do want to do more than only 2m MS.
Or, at least do not use the DX command for this, if you do not have 
access to the world wide convers network - use the ann/full command.
I bet: If, during the last day, there would have been a short sporadic-e 
opening (it already happened years ago in January...) on 2m, many people 
wouldn't have seen a single, corresponding spot due to MS "QRM" in the 
cluster.
By the way, filtering 144.350 - 144.400 isn't a good idea too, what 
happens if, during the next contest, you also want to read spots about 
analogue DX between 144.350 and 144.400 ? You have to reconfigurate your 
filtering every time.. (Don't forget, 144.350 - 144.400 is still 
assigned to SSB and CW too, not only to MGMs. And not to forget, 
SELF-SPOTTING is not a mode-related problem. It is a "don't do" in ALL 
modes on EVERY band below 430 MHz or 1.2 GHz. Probably with very view 
exceptions. In some contests, self-spotting is explicitely forbidden !

73,
Ulrich dh0ghu





PA0JMV schrieb:
> Sebastian and others,
> 
>  That is very easy to filter out FSK441 messages on CLX !! (better don't
> call it WSJT because that is the name of the software...)
> Download the FREE excellent software LiveMuf by G7RAU/EA6VQ, set filter in
> that softw to ignore anything between 144.350-144.400 and you will have no
> more frustrations !! how's that? Your screen might stay even empty !
> I am QRV in MS since 1967, but I have learned that you cannot force time
> going backwards... new time, new mentality: take it or leave it, that is all
> life....
> Everybody is totally FREE to decide whether he/she likes something or not,
> but you cannot *control* others who certainly do like it.
> 
> My personal advise for those hams that get frustrated by CLX-chats (several
> have reported here in the past days): you are FREE to switch it OFF, you
> don't *have* to log into the CLX and get frustrated; if there is some
> usefull spot on CLX you wouldn't use that info anyhow as it would make your
> QSO invalid?
> 
> If somebody wants to "cheat" on his/her QSO, so what the heck....? Does it
> harm you? Not to me ! I feel responsible ONLY for the QSO's I am involved
> with.
> Is nobody remembering what happened in these so called good old days?
> exactly same parallel talks via 20m shortwave (14.345) or phone or friends
> or... come on...
> 
> CU in ANY mode, even HSCW 3000lpm is welcome !!
> HAVE FUN ON THE BANDS BEFORE WE LOOSE THEM.
> 
>  GL, 73
> Joop PA0JMV
> www.planet.nl/~pa0jmv
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "DG5CST, Sebastian" <dg5cst@tiscali.de>
>>To: <meteor-scatter@mailman.qth.net>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:02 PM
>>Subject: Re: AW: [Meteor-Scatter] MS Procedures
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>I often wondered if there is no way to put up something like a wsjt
> 
> filter
> 
>>>for the cluster. I began with meteorscatter (good old style of course)
>>
>>even
>>
>>>in those days when wsjt barely came up. For me it was a great fun and
> 
> also
> 
>>a
>>
>>>good way to learn CW while using it and nowadays you have pray to god
>>
>>while
>>
>>>calling cq in random mode, because each and everyone is on wsjt mode.
>>>Let's think about it.. and maybe someone will find back to the roots.
>>>
>>>73 Sebastian
>>>
>>
> 
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