AW: [Meteor-Scatter] MS Procedures

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:17:38 +0100

Ulli and others,

You miss the point - please see Walter's OE6IWG message again ! It is not
about qsy'ing to complete
a qso with a calling station, it is about HEARING that calling station (QSO
on calling QRG during a shower
should be forbidden...).

I just don't understand Ulli, How did you receive between 1998 and 2001 a
CQx Call from a
DX station in, let's say east, while at the same time, a station east of
yourself was calling
CQy direction west ? you must have heard that CQ calling station and that
station must have made it impossible
for you to receive any DX ? I am typically not very active in random during
showers exactly because of that.

And here is the problem : without listening, nobody will hear any station
calling CQ nor CQx or CQxxx
If listening in the "other" period is made impossible, by stations calling
the opposite direction
(mind you, they are also using the correct periods) nobody will be able to
make a qso.

So it is not really a problem of using a qsy frequency, but the occupation
of the "other" period.
And that is directly related to heavily increased use of MS as a propagation
medium, made possible
by WSJT. We should be glad that the activity has increased with MS, and if
that creates some specific
problems, we should analyse these problems, and look for solutions, rather
than pointing to
problems that have been solved years ago, as the current problems are
different. IARU did understand the
impact of WSJT and quickly created a solution in San Marino 2002, where 370
has been allocated as
centre of operations for FSK. We have seen the discussions in the early days
of WSJT that it should be
allocated in the packet band, as it is a digital mode. These kind of
statements do not help to solve a
problem, and refering to your active period between 1998 and 2001 does
indicate that you have not
experienced the current situation.

Never the less, you do make a very usefull statement in advising to use the
VFO knob, which indeed is
not done often enough. So there is not any reason not to use more than one
calling QRG and why not
announce that on the cluster (ie selfspotting) ? (Not completing qso's via
the cluster, but that is
something we do not need to discuss at all as that is truely humbug).

73 - Franz
OE3FVU / PE0WGA

By the way, my experience might be slightly longer; I have been active
mainly on 2 meters since 1975 in JO22.
So I might also know what I talk about, working in crowded areas...

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]Im Auftrag von Ulrich
Hilsinger
Gesendet: Sonntag, 04. Janner 2004 13:16
An: Meteor-Scatter list (E-mail)
Betreff: Re: [Meteor-Scatter] MS Procedures

Hello,

why not just using the good practice known from 144.100, which has been
used without problems for decades ? During my active HSCW MS time, from
1998 to approximately 2001, I've never seen any problem with the random
procedure.
All your problems have been solved years ago for CW, it just seem that
too many people are QRV now which do not know what they are doing...
Staying at 144.370 results in the same chaos known from 144.200. Modern
transceiver have synthesizer controlled local oscillators, and usually
have a big VFO knob allowing fast QSY... Just USE IT, don't discuss
about it.

73,
Ulrich DH0GHU

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