[MarinTeams] Channel 7 Repeater power outage restored
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Fri Jan 13 19:33:17 EST 2023
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 08:37 Joshoa Alex <joshoa.alex at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
>
> I would say that pretty much ANY collaboration service available on the
> market now will have similar EULA (End User License Agreement)
>
> That is their way of monetizing 'free' accounts
>
> I am a big fan of 'self-hosted' solutions, since we will be the only one
> who will be in control of it
>
> BUT
>
> It will require maintenance and support from someone experienced enough
> of it which will create dependency of this person
>
> Let`s first decide which way to go: Self-hosted or Third-party operated
>
> And then pick up the right solution within this area
>
>
> PS
>
> Out of Self-hosted list, only one 'king of the hill' in my mind would be
> XMPP (Jabber) compatible solution
>
> This is an industry standard, has a lot of servers and a lot of
> compatible clients for pretty much all platforms
>
> I once hosted one and it was working really well
>
> The only disadvantage I recall is PUSH - mechanism that wake the phone
> on receiving message
>
> Without this one, you will have to open app on a phone to check for any
> new messages
>
> It was hard to configure but it was operational eventually
>
> (All above is applicable only for Apple and Androids)
>
>
> J
>
> On 1/12/2023 1:57 PM, Mike Mc Nevin wrote:
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> > ---- On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 13:53:08 -0800 *Luke Teyssier
> > <luke at teyssier.com>* wrote ---
> >
> > I’m OK with that. I’m also willing to Kickin you know $100 a year or
> > whatever if slack is a better solution for us
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:37 PM Joshoa Alex
> > <joshoa.alex at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you guys think of Discord for communication between club
> > members?
> > >
> > > https://discord.com/
> > >
> > > Has clients for Windows, Mac and mobiles
> > >
> > > We can create our own "server" there, multiple chat-rooms inside,
> > > different user`s roles like Admin, contributor, read-only etc
> > >
> > > Very alike Slack, but does not require premium subscription for all
> > > those features
> > >
> > >
> > > Oleg
> > >
> > > KN6KJS
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/10/2023 11:41 PM, Bill wrote:
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > First of all let me express my gratitude for your interest in
> > building
> > > up and sustaining the K6BW repeater system! Unfortunately there
> > isn’t a
> > > cost-free solution.
> > > >
> > > > Richard, thank you for establishing the turn-on date for the
> > West Marin
> > > repeater (November, 2016). I think you submitted a picture, but our
> > > present email newsgroup server allows text messages only. I have
> > been
> > > watching the use of Slack by San Francisco Radio Club and looked
> > into its
> > > use for our club, but ran into an expensive subscription plan,
> > per month,
> > > per user. I see that Richard Dillman may be using Slack in West
> > Marin and
> > > wonder how the two clubs are able to use Slack, presumably at a
> > cost that
> > > we can compare to our present free service. If anyone knows, or
> > knows of a
> > > newsgroup (other than Facebook or Google) that might encourage
> > better
> > > discourse among members, please let me know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On to comments regarding emergency power. In spite of the
> > drama stirred
> > > up by the local news, our present storm system has been IHMO fairly
> > > benign. There hasn’t been much damage in marin (e.g. fallen trees,
> > > landslides. etc.), only minimal flooding, and after many years
> > of draught
> > > we are finally filling up our reservoirs. The water table is
> > still in need
> > > of further replenishment. There has been only one power outage
> > at San
> > > Pedro and the two other repeaters haven’t lost utility power
> > even though
> > > they are in need of radio maintenance. Yes, there has been quite
> > a spell
> > > of rain in January and can be considered a shot over the bow,
> > e.g. we may
> > > not be as lucky in the future.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Concentrating on San Pedro, my thoughts are we ultimately need
> > some sort
> > > of solar power generation if we intend to harden the site. We have
> a
> > > gasoline generator there, but it can only run for something like
> > 18 hours
> > > continuously. Also, it is fully manual, has to be pull-started
> > and we
> > > would have to power the radio equipment with extension cords.
> > There aren’t
> > > any gas cans to replenish gasoline, either. Still, it is a
> > little better
> > > than nothing. We have access to 12V, 7-1/2A sealed lead-acid
> > batteries and
> > > have some 15-20 charged in reserve at San Pedro. But there isn’t
> > any way
> > > at present to hook them together or to connect equipment. At the
> > West
> > > Marin site, which is fully solar powered, we have a charge
> > controller to
> > > maintain battery charge and limiters for both over voltage and
> > low-voltage
> > > cut off to prevent battery damage from excessive discharge. A
> > lot has
> > > happened in the last 8 years with solar technology, much of
> > which I am not
> > > familiar, but the basic model of considering charging resources vs
> > > discharge (power demand) is as far as I know the same.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At the very minimum, I suppose we could consider a battery
> > system with a
> > > charge controller (they now have the limiters built-in), where
> > we could
> > > specify, say 2 weeks, of repeater operation and rely on a gasoline
> > > generator to recharge the batteries. That was the basis of our
> > solar power
> > > assembly at West Marin. We tallied the (continuous) receiver
> > power needed
> > > and added an estimated a number of hours of active transmitter
> > operation.
> > > That was multiplied by 14 days to arrive at total demand. In
> > West Marin,
> > > there is quite a bit of fog and cloud cover from proximity to
> > the ocean.
> > > That, battery charge efficiency, battery life, available power
> > from the
> > > sun, and a number of additional de-rating factors were added
> > together to
> > > determine the ability of the solar panels to charge the
> > batteries. In the
> > > case of San Pedro, we also are supporting the AREDN broadband
> > network. We
> > > have 7 dishes and two routers at present, and expect that
> > complement to
> > > grow. The dishes don’t take a lot of power, but the demand is
> > continuous
> > > and adds up quickly. At any rate, all of this can be listed in a
> > > spreadsheet and become a design model that will indicate the
> > needed battery
> > > capacity, and the solar charge current and become a basis to
> > measure how
> > > the system will perform and for how long. Unfortunately, we have
> > very
> > > limited access to our example West Marin repeater and have not
> > been able to
> > > compare the design model with actual use. Suffice to say, the
> > repeater has
> > > been humming along for the last 6 years without issue. Perhaps,
> > thankfully
> > > it has not had a lot of use as with all the de-rating, the 4
> > 250AH AGM
> > > batteries are barely sufficient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A kill-o-watt monitor might be a good starting point at San
> Pedro,
> > > although repeater use has been practically only that of the ½
> > hour Monday
> > > night net. It wouldn’t hurt to update the spreadsheet developed
> > for West
> > > Marin to incorporate the AREDN network and arrive at a base line to
> > > estimate battery reserve. There is also an emergency lighting
> > circuit at
> > > San Pedro that we should consider updating. It presently uses 36
> > volt (!)
> > > incandescent bulbs which could be switched to something like
> > +12V LED bulbs
> > > (or what is commonly available for boat lighting). Also, there
> > is a HF
> > > station with room for good antennas outdoors.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you are interested in the project, perhaps the first thing
> > to do is
> > > haul out the checkbook and send the club your $25 associate
> > membership
> > > dues. Or more! There is a lot of possibility at the site, and we
> > need
> > > your help, both physical and monetary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And we are still hunting around for a club meeting place.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 73 de Bill, AB6MT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: Harlen [mailto:hmallis at comcast.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 8:56 PM
> > > > To: George Shea
> > > > Cc: Bill; marinteams at mailman.qth.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [MarinTeams] Channel 7 Repeater power outage
> restored
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agreed
> > > >
> > > > Bill probably knows or if not, we can put a kill a watt on
> > there and see
> > > what it uses over 24 hours or even a week if usage is not
> consistent
> > > >
> > > > Out
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:21 PM, George Shea
> > <geoirishbox at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At this time, in order to analyze the issue would be to
> > determine how
> > > many amp hours are needed to keep the repeaters going given the
> > kinds of
> > > transmission outages likely to occur. How many amps does the
> current
> > > repeater draw? In use or in standbye? Then, a decision for a
> > > generator/inverter that is either autostart or internet start
> > might be
> > > considered is the money is there. Solar is also being used quite
> > well. Show
> > > me the money.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, end of discussion buy new batteries, I hope lithium.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am replacing my "house" batteries on my sailboat with
> > lithium bought
> > > through home depot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > George J. Shea
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 415-999-9358
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 05:43:29 PM PST, Harlen <
> > > hmallis at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charging would be done either through a generator auto start,
> > which they
> > > do make.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Or a C, which is the problem as it goes out then what?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It’s nice having multiple systems so you have a little bit
> > more of a
> > > failsafe set up
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Question, depends on how important the scenario is so you know
> > how much
> > > money to throw at the solution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2023, at 4:32 PM, George Shea
> > <geoirishbox at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > LFPs are lighter, they deep cycle, most have internal
> > controllers to
> > > avoid over/under charging, can get at least 4,000 recycles, NO
> > MAINTENANCE,
> > > still work fine way past the 50% discharge limitation all other
> > batteries
> > > etc. A little expensive, but getting cheaper, especially if
> > stored inside.
> > > Maintenance free other than charging, and easily convert to
> > solar when
> > > available.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I suggest solar unneeded if reliable source of power to
> > charger keeping
> > > batteries topped up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > George J. Shea
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 04:13:39 PM PST, Harlen <
> > > hmallis at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agreed and there’s some maintenance on them too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At this point other than the expense, LFP batteries are so
> > much better
> > > of a long-term solution.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2023, at 3:48 PM, George Shea
> > <geoirishbox at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > AGMS that are recycled many times (as in solar installations)
> > easily die
> > > after four years especially in cold weather.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > George J. Shea
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:17:24 AM PST, Bill
> > <wbs at hbco2.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We have four AGM batteries at the site in West Marin. It has
> > been solar
> > > powered from the beginning and has been running uninterrupted
> > for 4 years,
> > > I believe. Will have to check, can't count that high..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Harlen [mailto:hmallis at comcast.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 9:57 AM
> > > > To: wbs at hbco2.com
> > > > Cc: marinteams at mailman.qth.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [MarinTeams] Channel 7 Repeater power outage
> restored
> > > >
> > > > That’s tough with all the gray weather we’ve had two you’re
> > talking
> > > about a lot of batteries. It’s the storage that makes all the
> > systems work.
> > > >
> > > >> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Bill <wbs at hbco2.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Power is back on at San Pedro. All of Santa Venetia was
> > knocked out
> > > during
> > > >> last night's storm, but apparently has been restored.
> > > >> Would be nice to have solar backup!
> > > >> 73 de Bill, AB6MT
> > > >>
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