[MAMS] April 2011 Microwave Activity Day

Mon Apr 4 16:36:06 EDT 2011

Yes, the wind got you at least twice by destroying propagation and 
equipment. I don't know that a portable radome would have helped the 
propagation but it should have saved the equipment.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

On 4/4/2011 3:33 PM, Zack Widup wrote:
> In my case on Saturday, it was a hindrance to microwave antennas,
> equipment and operating! I couldn't even keep the dish up long enough
> to aim it at anything.
> :-)
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Dr. Gerald N. Johnson
> <geraldj at weather.net>  wrote:
>> Wind is often a significant hinderance to VHF and microwave propagation.
>> Without wind and clouds, night radiant cooling of the earth's surface
>> cools air near the surface causing a temperature inversion that enhances
>> refraction. Evaporative cooling over water bodies gives much the same
>> effect. In the prairie typically that morning inversion is about 1000
>> feet above the ground. Often visible when flying up in a small airplane
>> or observing a smoke or steam plume from a fire or power plant. Wind
>> stirs the boundary layer and destroys the inversion by mixing. Gusts are
>> better at mixing. Cloud cover over land holds in heat and so tends to
>> prevent the little inversion forming.
>>
>> A high pressure dome has no wind under it and that inversion can build
>> and isn't destroyed and can build up over days to cover a large area
>> with propagation out to 1500 miles or better.
>>
>> We work beyond line of sight with normal conditions because of the
>> atmosphere is less dense with altitude and that gradient of density
>> causes some refraction, the 4/3 earth radius rule.
>>
>> 73, Jerry, K0CQ
>>
>> On 4/4/2011 10:31 AM, Zack Widup wrote:
>>> Conditions on Saturday were evidently very poor. I cannot verify that
>>> I was NOT putting out power on 902 MHz, so I am going to assume I
>>> actually was when I tried to work Wally W9OBG. When I got everything
>>> home and checked it out, it appeared the only damage to the IF rig
>>> from a fall onto the ground was a damaged squelch control knob/shaft,
>>> and everything else was working normally. I was getting 10 watts out
>>> of the 902 MHz transverter as expected. Since Wally was running 200
>>> watts or more and I was only getting him S9, and he couldn't hear my
>>> 10 watts at all, I am now assuming conditions were that bad. Lloyd
>>> NE8I has said that condx were really poor up in Michigan where he was.
>>>
>>> I can get to the hilltop in EN50rl just about any morning of the week
>>> between maybe 6:30 and 8 AM CDT. as well as some hours during most
>>> weekends. If the Hepburn forecast looks good and if anyone wants to
>>> try to work me, let me know. I just hope it isn't a windy day!
>>>
>>> I haven't attempted an SDR radio for a microwave IF. It might be a
>>> good idea as you could see a good chunk of the spectrum all at once,
>>> and when you've identified a signal all you have to do is peak your
>>> dish on it. But there is so little time and I'm spending a lot of time
>>> trying to get my 24 GHz transverter going. I just made a few boards
>>> that are basically the W1GHZ Miniverter-F but the helical filters for
>>> 432 that I have are smaller than the ones he is using (hence I made my
>>> own boards with my filter size specs rather than order some from him).
>>> I want to use this as a 432 MHz IF for the 24 GHz SDH transceiver I
>>> have. I'm also working on putting together the LO chain to give me 6
>>> or 7 dBm at 11.800 GHz. I might get that done this week.
>>>
>>> Then I'll start thinking about 47 GHz.
>>> :-]
>>>
>>> 73, Zack W9SZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:56 AM, M Ragouzis<n0obi at yahoo.com>    wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the note of the 11th.
>>>>
>>>> My brother  Bruce ,  may have a 6 foot fiberglass dish to give away , he spoke
>>>> about it yesterday and he lives near you.
>>>> I have a phone call in to his message center now just so he doesn't cut it up
>>>> before some one has a chance at it.
>>>>
>>>> I hope things are going well for you , we should have a breakfast meeting some
>>>> time , what do you think ? , I do not know anyone in the club by face ( how many
>>>> are here in the st louis area ) .
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone working on SDR using the Apple i-phone or i-Pod products for  a 10
>>>> ghzreceiver ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm still working on getting the SDR radio up and running , I found a 741 OP amp
>>>> in the junk drawer last night , the RF front end will work through the computer
>>>> sound card but not through Jim's i-phone or i-pod , so it looks like the i stuff
>>>> needs more gain , Jim discovered ad added the 10M ohm resistor across the mic
>>>> input to let the i-phone/pod know that it has and external mic.
>>>>
>>>> Plugging in the mic/sdrrffront end caused a spike to form on the display but
>>>> nothing more than this , were getting closer.
>>>> I don't know that the 741 will be quiet enough , but as things are right now
>>>> something would be better than nothing.
>>>>
>>>> If we go through the 1/8 inch jack we only get one channel so it I or Q and we
>>>> have just a one channel direct conversion radio ( ? ).
>>>> But we will have the ability to use the software to narrow down the band width ,
>>>> so this should be real good for 10 ghz.
>>>>
>>>> I have the 2 meter N-channel amp built , I just need to tune it up .as you know
>>>> we were talking about dynamic range problem's , I hope this and sdr will make a
>>>> running receiver.
>>>>
>>>> OH , I picked up a "Gunn Oscillator " that I tuned to 10.368 ghz , so it might
>>>> be good for CW even though its a little wide  ( I have a filter ) .
>>>>
>>>> So much stuff to do so little time.
>>>> Mike
>>>> N0obi
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Dave Calvert<kb0pe at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: Mid-America Microwave Society<mams at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 9:28:53 PM
>>>> Subject: [MAMS]  April 2011 Microwave Activity Day
>>>>
>>>> I went to EM49au ( AT&T microwave tower site ) and setup at 6am and was ready to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> go on 902, 3456 and 5760....  It was windy and the bands were dead!  I looked
>>>> around
>>>> for the beacon on 902 (K3SIW's) and nothing.  I did have some long q's on
>>>> 144.200
>>>> at around 11am with South St. Louis and that was it....
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave -KB0PE
>>>>
>>>> Starting Monday April 11th, 7-11PM local. 2M Sprint.
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