Hi Andy....decided to try out WSPR-2 on 136 kHz. overnight. Very solid signals out of Phoenix on my 10 foot octagon loop....tonight I'm going to try using the PA0RDT miniwhip just for a not too accurate comparison. 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 EN93dr