RE(2): RE(2): [Lowfer] Loop Ideas ??

[PAUL DAULTON]

Like I said in my original post I am going to have some study to come up
 to speed.
First we heard about it was on VK5BR, Lloyd Butlers site. I got on google
 and found tons of
info. It will take me all night to digest.
One site suggested a 137khz antenna. Each cylinder would be 6m long and 2m
 in diameter.
I think for experimenting I would build one for 80m.
My dentist says he gets kind of down in the mouth about his job because it
 get to be a grind. Good luck.
73 Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:50:03 -0400
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands"
 <lowfer at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: RE: RE(2): [Lowfer] Loop Ideas ??
 
Hi Paul,
 
I'm still back in MA as this weekend is a total bust for working outside.
 Have a dentist apt on Monday afternoon so I'll just stay down here and
 nurse my sore joints :)
 
Let me check on the E/H antenna on google and get back to you. That isn't
 the so-called infamous cross field antenna  that nobody seems to be able
 to make work as advertized, is it?
 
Bill
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:41:51 -0500
From: k5wms at aristotle.net
To: ashlockw at hotmail.com; lowfer at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE(2): [Lowfer] Loop Ideas ??
CC: 
Bill 
this may be slightly off the subject, but your email reminded me of the
 e/h antenna discussions I have 
had with one of my friends. I went back to the VK5BR site and refreshed my
 memory then checked the 
E/H antenna on google. Made me wonder if this is a practical antenna for
 lowfer work. Lots of  infor out there. 
 
I would need a lot of study to come up to speed on the subject. Has anyone
 tried the E/H antenna on 
137 or 185khz? 
 
What do you think? 
 
Paul K5WMS 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Ashlock <ashlockw at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:55:30 -0400
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands"
 <lowfer at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: RE: [Lowfer] Loop Ideas ??
 
RX loop enthusiasts:
 
Here's a question for you: With few exceptions every time I run an A/B
 comparison of a loop and a nearby Eprobe at LF I get exactly the same
 weak signal performance - IE the same S/N. This is in a controlled
 environment with no local interference and I always adjust the signals to
 exactly the same level and rotate the loop for maximum signal. The only
 exception in this comparison is when there is a directional noise signal
 and the loop can null this out, making the loop signal have the better
 S/N of the two.
 
I would think that because of the figure '8' reception pattern of the loop
 the sensitivity to typical atmospheric noise would be reduced and the
 loop would always be the winner in these comparisons.  Maybe I'm wrongly
 assuming that the AT noise has equal E field and H field components
 and/or the E field component always the same strength as the H field
 component. Another possibility is that the loop has more noise pick up
 due to its wider azimuth angle pattern. Any thoughts?
 
Bill
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