>> Hey Lyle, >> Send him a picture of your old 45' vertical that stood out by the horse >> pasture. Now that was some vertical. >Let's see it, Lyle. I think you have already seen it -- the picture is in a short article about "lightweight" LowFER verticals at http://www.qsl.net/k0lr/LTWT-verticals/VERTS.HTM Lyle, K0LR