Hi Mitch, How about i fire up IP tonight and you turn that loop south and give a listen. I have shortened LIP to IP and running QRSS 30 mode @ 185.3004, give those guys some compitition. you might have better luck at QRSS 20 because the interval between characters is a little short and tend to run togeather on QRSS 30. Thanks Lewis WA4LIP