[LOGic] FW: Logic 9
vietvon at comcast.net
vietvon at comcast.net
Sat Feb 15 13:23:14 EST 2014
Peter, the URL you list for the update is no longer available.
vy 73,
Nick W(UM
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Oops ...
I have just noticed this reply went only to Dan K0DAN.
I have now repeated the reply to the list.
Sorry for the mistake.
Peter VK4IU
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Wetzig [mailto:peter.wetzig at bigpond.com]
Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2014 1:13 PM
To: 'K0DAN'
Subject: RE: [LOGic] Logic 9
G'Day Dan,
In short, one does not know. The official DXCC list is at the ARRL in text
form - a link in the same forum topic as posted. But that list is not in a
format that anyone can use - regardless of the logging program. Human
intervention is always required. I assume by DXCC database you mean this
list in the award lists table.
When I used that database, from Jan 2013, I lost the Pacific Island of Niue
- E6 - it appeared as an exception on Update Awards Progress. The DXCC
list changes slowly. But, I confess my knowledge in this area is only
starting - I may be missing others but am blissfully unaware - because I
have never worked them. I am surprised that I have received no comments to
my post on the forum re Niue.
I have made a note to write a routine that compares the official ARRL list
to the DXCC award list. At first look - too hard!
Unfortunately the old adage about old trucks and tractors - if it ain't
broke, don't fix it - is bad advice with IT components and software. After
40 years in the business, that philosophy only guarantees that the problem
slowly gets bigger and bigger, and solutions, harder, and harder.
The DXCC list in the lists table is not strictly necessary for LOGic to log
QSOs - it is just for award processing. The real DXCC data for logging is
actually in the prefix table. If you update the DXCC list, your QSOs don't
change. Exceptions, missing DXCC award entries for QSOs you have logged,
are reported when you Update Awards progress and you can correct the DXCC
list in the awards list quite easily. Dennis never updates the DXCC award
list in a LOGic update. That list(s) is(are) your responsibility.
The Prefix table is the heart of the issue - the source of DXCC and Prefix
information when you log a QSO. And, this is the data that is potentially
updated when you apply a LOGic update. These days I see it has a flag
"Update Prefix Table?" yes/no.
Dennis depends on us to post to the Prefix part of the forum
(http://hosenose.com/Forum/yaf_topics65_Prefix-and-Awards-Tables-Discussion-
and-Updates.aspx) any changes or additions that are needed. I note W7OO
Bill does this often, and a few others. My contributions are usually about
technique rather than the data itself - which correctly reflects my low
level of knowledge in this area. I had expected more would be active with
information on this area.
In LOGic9, update 9.0.59, Dennis has included the ability to have "user
entries" in the Prefix table, and they will be preserved across LOGic
updates of the Prefix table. Clearly Dennis was aware of the issue you
express.
There were a few teething problems, but for me, and most, the update has
been flawless. The changes are in the latest update 9.0.61. There are no
longer any updates being produced for LOGic 8.
The problems with the LOGic9 update 9.0.59 were related to the fact that too
many of us muck about with the files outside of Logic and a few had multiple
prefix tables existing in the LOGic folder structure. Microsoft Foxpro got
confused. 9.0.58/59 created a problem with ADIF, since resolved in 9.0.61.
The latest updates include the latest Prefix data Dennis had at the time.
But until one creates user entries, as compared to modifying the original
entries, there is still the problem of losing data - your modified system
entries will be overwritten.
But - that is not really a problem.
The data in your old QSOs are untouched by any change to the Prefix table.
You will only notice a change when you log a new QSO and the Prefix table
does not have the correct entry. Any old QSOs will be untouched and retain
their values entered when you logged it with your personal updates to the
old Prefix table.
With few exceptions, the DXpeditions are not coming back. Most official
updates are in the Prefix table. As you work QSOs and log them, one
DXCC/Prefix at a time, you can get up-to-date, and with every update you are
assured of not losing any personal changes - provided you make them as a
"User Supplied Entry".
Personally, I check my user entries after each update, and remove them if
they have been included in the official Prefix entries. Bill W7OO is
usually way ahead of me, so I make user entries when he posts updates to the
forum, if and when I see them. I want to my keep personal changes to a
minimum.
A backup is a good thing before any big changes are made. Remember - the
Logic backup at Tools, Backup/Restore Log Data, does NOT include the Lists
table, nor the Prefix Table, nor anything else. Personally, I take a
complete copy of everything in the LOGic folder, and folders below, to an
external USB disk before any major changes, including the official updates.
I backup my LOG Data every day - sometimes multiple times a day. LOGic9 has
an automatic mechanism to name the backup file by date and time. I keep the
backups forever.
Peter VK4IU
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From: K0DAN [mailto:k0dan at comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2014 10:22 AM
To: peter at vk4iu.org; logic at mailman.qth.net; k3gv at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [LOGic] Logic 9
Caution...
I was telling George that my DXCC and prefix databases have evolved over the
last decade or two (since Logic4). Since about Logic 7, all my updates have
been manual, based on information I obtained about new entities,
DXpeditions, etc. I think, but do not know for sure, my databases are about
98% current and accurate.
However: Some years back, I downloaded and installed (or imported?) one of
Dennis' updates, and to my horror, found that I had actually DELETED a
number of my manual entries and that my Awards Progress had actually gotten
worse! From that point I was never sure which database was the most current.
It all comes down to what is the most current database at what point in
time?
I notice that the link Peter provides is about a year old...I'm tempted to
import it, but am also reluctant to import "what ain't broke".
How does one assure that this type of update is positive and not
destructive?
73
dan
k0dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Wetzig
Sent: February 14, 2014 16:23
To: logic at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [LOGic] Logic 9
G'Day George.
Best of luck with your health. Good to see you back.
The updated list is on the forum at
http://hosenose.com/Forum/yaf_postsm2105_Prefix-and-table-updates.aspx#post2
105
Peter VK4IU
-----Original Message-----
From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of George Vincent
Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2014 2:42 AM
To: logic at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [LOGic] Logic 9
I am still using LOGic 8 and I am glad to see that this reflector is still
alive and well. We continue to have about 300 members subscribed. The
problems in the last year or so seem to have been minimal and the messages
few.
I have not been in the best of heath and my radio activity has been way
down, but now that I am on the rebound, I have spent the last couple of
weeks catching up on all my QSLing and all my cards for K3GV/VY2 have been
sent direct to those who requested them with return envelopes and the rest
are ready to go out thru the bureau.
What I am in need of is an updated file for all countries especially those
that have been added to the DXCC list. Does anyone have an updated list they
would be willing to share?
George Vincent K3GV
Moderator LOGic Reflector
DX: Long may it Live!
If it isn't LOGic, it isn't LOGing
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