[LOGic] Backup Strategy

K0DAN k0dan at comcast.net
Tue Oct 14 13:07:34 EDT 2008 

Hal:

Roger that!

If I had my druthers, I'd offload one of my backup HD's (something under 
250GB) one time, then do incremental backups from then on. But agreed, that 
one time would raise eyebrows!

The logs, documents, etc., don't amount to that much. But if I'm doing the 
discipline of protecting data offsite, then it only makes sense to include 
the photos, music, and other stuff which is of substantial size.

Still looking for an answer!

73

Dan
K0DAN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "NN8L" <nn8l at nn8l.com>
To: "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic logging 
program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LOGic] Backup Strategy


> Dan,
>
> Yes.  I upload a LOT less than you.  You're talking about a lot of data 
> there.  When I mentioned ftp I was thinking mainly of logs, documents, 
> etc. I work for an ISP, but that kind of bandwidth would even raise 
> eyebrows here.
>
> Hal
> NN8L
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "K0DAN" <k0dan at comcast.net>
> To: <halman at mail.t-one.net>; "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for 
> discussion of LOGic logging program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Backup Strategy
>
>
>> Hal...
>>
>> Where do you FTP to?
>>
>> Do you only FTP your LOGIC files, or do you FTP all your data (personal
>> files, finances, JPG's, M3's, etc.)? LOGIC is easy to move off site and 
>> the
>> data is not really very proprietary. Moving ALL the data (which I'd like 
>> to
>> do) not only requires strong encryption, but also maybe 200+ GB.
>>
>> I have not yet found a site that's generous enough to offer that much 
>> (free)
>> storage!
>>
>> If that wasn't bad enough, my ISP (Comcast) is now changing its terms &
>> conditions to limit customers' monthly transfers to 250GB. That's a huge
>> amount of bandwidth, but not totally outlandish for customers who wish to
>> backup daa offsite.
>>
>> Sounds more like you're offloading much smaller amounts to FTP?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Dan
>> K0DAN
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <halman at mail.t-one.net>
>> To: "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic logging
>> program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Backup Strategy
>>
>>
>>>I was responding to a post that mentioned backing up using 4 or 5
>>>strategies.
>>> All I was saying was that if backup is that imperitive, a flash drive 
>>> and
>>> ftp
>>> would be simple and cover it all.  Nuclear disaster?  Nope.  If you have 
>>> a
>>> house
>>> fire it doesn't matter how many different ways you back up your log,
>>> they're
>>> probably all gone.  The original poster mentioned carrying a cd off
>>> premises.
>>> All I said was that ftp would fill the same void and you don't need to
>>> burn
>>> a cd.  My system automatically ftp's my log and other files I don't want
>>> to
>>> miss daily.  It only ftp's changed files, so the uploads are minimal.  I
>>> also
>>> back them up to another drive on premises.  It costs me nothing.
>>>
>>> Hal
>>> NN8L
>>>
>>>
>>>>In a more serious vein... such precautions are normal for commercial
>>>>backup strategies. Once again, consider using LotW (or E-QSL) as they
>>>>provide excellent geographic diversity... unless you line in Hartford!
>>>>
>>>>Mel Martin wrote:
>>>>> "Preferably one over 75 miles away."
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you concerned about... a nuclear attack... an asteroid
>>>>> strike??? I'm careful with my log data... but not THAT careful Hal ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NN8L wrote:
>>>>>> The problem with having them under your direct control is exactly
>>>>>> that.  If you have a loss where your computer is and all of your
>>>>>> backups, regardless of howm any are at the same place, you could lose
>>>>>> them all.  The safest strategy is an on premises and an off premises
>>>>>> backup.  Preferably one over 75 miles away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hal
>>>>>> NN8L
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.A. Wolf, MD, K6JW"
>>>>>> <k6jw at scdxc.org>
>>>
>>>>>> To: "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic
>>>>>> logging program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:05 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Backup Strategy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's certainly an option, but I prefer having all copies under my
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>> --JW, K6JW
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NN8L" <nn8l at nn8l.com>
>>>>>>> To: "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic
>>>>>>> logging
>>>
>>>>>>> program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 20:47
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [LOGic] Backup Strategy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not ftp to an off premises server?  There are programs that 
>>>>>>>> will
>>>
>>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>>> automatically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hal
>>>>>>>> NN8L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.A. Wolf, MD, K6JW"
>>>>>>>> <k6jw at scdxc.org>
>>>>>>>> To: "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic
>>>>>>>> logging
>>>>>>>> program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:47 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [LOGic] Backup Strategy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe in the "belt and suspenders" approach. Here's what I do:
>>>>>>>>> 1. Every contact is backed up using LOGic's SafetyLog to a flash
>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>> 2. At the end of every opearting session I back up the log to a
>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the flash drive AND to a subdirectory on the main hard drive but 
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>>> different logical partition (see below).
>>>>>>>>> 3. About once a month, or sooner if I've worked a really rare and
>>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>> one, I back up to a CD and store the disc in a very safe (and
>>>>>>>>> fireproof)
>>>>>>>>> place well away from the shack.
>>>>>>>>> 4. Periodically, I do a hard copy printout for safe, "offsite"
>>>>>>>>> storage.
>>>>>>>>>   My contacts go back to 1958, I'd be devastated if I lost them.
>>>>>>>>>   Here's another safety tip. Whenever I get a new computer or
>>>>>>>>> (unfortunately) have to rebuild my hard drive, I set up a separate
>>>>>>>>> partition
>>>>>>>>> from the C drive for data storage. If "C" goes down, I can usually
>>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>> the data partition (generally D, E, or F) to salvage everything
>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>
>>>>>>>>> important unless the drive has a mechanical failure. This has 
>>>>>>>>> saved
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>
>>>>>>>>> neck
>>>>>>>>> more than once over the  years.
>>>>>>>>> --JW, K6JW
>>>>>>>>>
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