[Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion

Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:19:40 -0500

Hi Mel:
At 19:37 1/8/2004 , Mel wrote:
>"as it has not been a problem in many years, and is well ingrained among
>thousands of contesters."
>
>Well that's complete moose manure!!! I lose a LOT of time every contest
>explaining that the multiplier for Quebec is QC and not PQ, which the
>ARRL used to use ( and did change because I used to have to explain why
>it was PQ and not QC ) And I've seen long discussions on reflectors of
>people trying to understand why there are 14 provinces.

I like that "Moose Manure", down here it's called "BS" but it's still
League fertilizer !!!

>Since they used the postal abbreviations for the US states... It would
>be a courtesy if they would do the same for Canada, as THAT is what most
>people expect. And using NWT for NT because they used NT as a section
>identifier is really confusing. I'm sure their heart is in the right
>place, but I wish they would straighten this out once and for all!

Looks like everyone, like RAC & the NCJ, is out of step with the League,
using 13 instead of 14 !!!=20

I think we should respect Canada and do it there way !!!

>To sum up... They should use postal codes for Provinces... There should
>be 13, and they can use whatever they like for Sections... If they
>insist on 14 divisions for some contest... DON"T CALL THEM PROVINCES!!!

Right, they are 10 Provinces and 3 Territories, 13 of them whatever you
want to call them !!!

73
Bob, K1VU

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]=20
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bradford J.=20
> > Williams - N8GLS
> > Sent: January 8, 2004 19:06
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi Bob,
> >=20
> > Sorry, but I think were all beating a dead horse.  The=20
> > responses I got back from the ARRL stack-up like this:
> >=20
> > The ARRL Sections have nothing to do with contests.
> > Several contests "conveniently" use the ARRL Section list as=20
> > multipliers. The multiplier abbreviations will be "whatever=20
> > works".  There is nothing in the rules that says they have to=20
> > follow US or Canadian postal abbreviations. There is no=20
> > reason to change anything as it has not been a problem in=20
> > many years, and is well ingrained among thousands of contesters.
> >=20
> > So, it boils down to this.  In the eyes of the ARRL, there=20
> > are 14 Provinces in Canada, period......forget the fact that=20
> > there are 13, it doesn't matter because they are "just"=20
> > multipliers.  Now, there are three ARRL contests that treat=20
> > Canadian "provinces" as multipliers (I should have said=20
> > ARRL's "view" of what Canada's provinces are), they are ARRL=20
> > Int'l DX, 10-Meter, and RTTY Round-up.  For these contests,=20
> > the multipliers are AB, BC, LB, MB, NB, NF, NS, NU, NWT, ON,=20
> > PEI, QC, SK, and YT.
> >=20
> > Now, this leaves those contests that "conveniently" use the=20
> > ARRL Sections as multipliers, they are the 160 Meter contest=20
> > and the November Sweepstakes, for them the multipliers are=20
> > AB, BC, MAR, MB, NL, NT, ON, QC, and SK.
> >=20
> > So for any other contests, your at the mercy of yourself,=20
> > your logging/contest software maker, or a reflector like this=20
> > one to find out how to handle the inconsistent use of=20
> > multiplier rules and abbreviations.  For LOGic I will undo=20
> > what I did last week and go back to VE Provinces that match=20
> > the above.  That way at least the major contest logforms will=20
> > still work.
> >=20
> > Until I or someone else can figure a way to pull multiple=20
> > variations out of a list of valid values I'll wait to do=20
> > anything else.
> >=20
> > 73, de Brad, N8GLS
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]=20
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On
> > Behalf Of R Johnson
> > Sent: Thursday, 08 January, 2004 4:43 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
> >=20
> >=20
> > Below are the extracts from the ARRL sponsored contests=20
> > showing the CAN multipliers. These are taken from the Contest=20
> > Rules on the ARRL Web Site.
> >=20
> > This lack of consistency is creating much confusion amongst=20
> > Contesters and the Authors of Contest Programs.
> >=20
> > I fail to see why we can not use the use the 13 multipliers=20
> > as defined by the standard CAN Postal abbreviations. NS=20
> > (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC=20
> > (VE7), NT (VE8), NB (VE9) NL (VO1,VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1), PE (VY2).
> >=20
> > Other contests such as RAC Canada Day, RAC Winter and NCJ's=20
> > NAQP and Sprint all use the 10 Provinces and 3 Territories to=20
> > give 13 multipliers.
> >=20
> > The League seems to be out of step with everyone else (MY=20
> > opinion) !!!! While they as the Contest Sponsors, can define=20
> > things the way they want, but it sure would nice for all the=20
> > logging programs to be able to be able to use common=20
> > definitions to facilitate moving data between each other.
> >=20
> > 73
> > Bob, K1VU
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL 10M 2003 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2.2. Canada [NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB=20
> > (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF, (VO1), LB=20
> > (VO2)], YT (VY1), PEI
> > (VY2) NU (VY=D8).
> >=20
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL 160M 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > 5.2.1. Northern Territory (NT) multiplier includes the=20
> > Northwest (NWT), Yukon (VY1) and Nunavut (VY0) territories.=20
> > Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA=20
> > PLUS QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC OR Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW=20
> > + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> >   OR
> > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> >=20
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL Field Day 2003
> > nothing directly defined That I could find easily)
> >=20
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL International DX 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2.2. DX stations: Sum of US states (except KH6/KL7),=20
> > District of Columbia (DC), and Canadian=20
> > provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON=20
> > (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF=20
> > (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY0), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) worked per=20
> > band (maximum of 63 per band).
> >=20
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL November SS 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > 5.1. Multiplier: Each ARRL Section and RAC Section plus the=20
> > Canadian NT (Northern Territories - encompassing VE8 / VY1 /=20
> > VY0) with a maximum number of 80.
> >=20
> > 5.2. Final score: Multiply QSO points (two per QSO) by the=20
> > number of ARRL/RAC sections (plus NT VE8/VY1/VY0).
> >=20
> >=20
> > Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA=20
> > PLUS QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC OR Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW=20
> > + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> >   OR
> > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> >=20
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL RTTY Roundup 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2. Multipliers: Each US state (except KH6 and KL7) plus the=20
> > District of Columbia (DC), Canadian provinces/territories: NB=20
> > (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5),=20
> > AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY=D8),=20
> > YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) and each DXCC country. KH6 and KL7 count=20
> > only as separate DXCC countries
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