[Logic] Buckmaster callbook web site
ANTHONY BOYKIN
[email protected]
Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:30:43 -0400
Hi All
If Dan think's most Amatures would pay $80-60 bucks a year for data
one that maybe out date 30 seconds after you download it and two free from
the FCC that our tax dollars are paying for, I don't think so.
$19.95 is in the ball park even that's high for data free on the net. Well
guess I be reading about them in QST soon
"BUCKMASTER SOLD TO EURO HAMS AT A PENNY A POUND" if you think I am kidding
ask the"Fly Horse" callbook people.
I have already block there software from LOGic. My they "R.I.P."
CUL/73
Tony/WB2JRI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rojomn" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Logic] Buckmaster callbook web site
> You entire post is right on the money.
>
>
> Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron
> 44.08N 92.512835W 1050'
> Hierro Candente, Batir de repente
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> > Behalf Of K1UQ
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:46 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Logic] Buckmaster callbook web site
> >
> >
> > Dear Daniel,
> >
> > Thank you for a sincere explanation, as explained on the LOGic
reflector.
> >
> > You proposed an IBCLS: "Internet-based callsign lookup system
> > where for each
> > lookup the LOGic program would submit to our server the callsign
> > you want to
> > look up and your registered HamCall callsign and password"
> >
> >
> > Here are my thoughts about ICBLS use, with or without LOGic 6:
> >
> > 1. For contesting:
> > (a) I will not and would not use an IBCLS, nor would I use a CD
> > in my local
> > CD drive. This is all about computer access speed during a 'test. And
for
> > contests where I operate "Assisted", I connect to I-net for spotting and
> > would not allow repeatedly switching URLs (spot to Buckmaster then back
to
> > spot). Therefore for contesting, I'd only be interested in
> > downloading the
> > most recent data or obtaining a recent CD, to load an image on a hard
> > drive, -which is my current practice. I copy the CD to hard drive.
> > (b) I tend to use software other than LOGic for contests.
> >
> > 2. For non-contest operation:
> > I would be interested in the following options:
> > (a) Purchase-based - Purchase based allows for either CD purchase
(current
> > Buckmaster practice)or full image download purchase (new Buckmaster
> > service). For download option I am only interested in data - I have
zero
> > interest in maps, pictures, QSLs and other non-data often placed on CDs
to
> > fill them up.
> > (b) Service based - IBCLS option. Fee based. Most likely annual
> > fee. Data
> > would have to be presented in acceptable format; in particular
addressing
> > fields for DX would need to print correctly. Partner with LOGic
> > to see this
> > happens.
> >
> > 3. Cost:
> > (a) Buckmaster has always been one of the most expensive services, if
not
> > THE most expensive. As a result, I always purchased RAC and
occasionally
> > QRZd. My only Buckmaster purchase was by "auction". I don't see
> > myself as
> > a frequent CD purchaser due to cost, coupled with age of data - value
vs.
> > cost just isn't there. For QSLs really needed, I always check the route
> > different ways to ensure accuracy. Most often I ask the DX for
> > proper route,
> > and need no further info.
> >
> > (b) For the service-based option, a user will derive reasonably current
> > information. As above, the value needs to be consistent with current
> > models. I feel a service fee that exceeds the price to buy one
> > CD a year to
> > be excessive.
> >
> > 4. What would I pay for IBCLS?
> > (a) $80 a year? NOT A CHANCE. Outlandish. Unreasonable and excessive.
> > (b) $50 a year? Maybe, but definitely NOT every year. Maybe every 2 or
3
> > years. Translates to $16 - $25 per year.
> > (c) $40 a year? Probably every 2 years. Translates to $20 per yr.
> >
> > Notice all the "As seen on TV" stuff that sells for $19? You can sell an
> > American most anything for 20 bucks. Now look at my 4a-4c
> > comments. Pretty
> > much the same, isn't it?
> >
> > Perhaps:
> > 1 year = Pay $30
> > 2 years = Pay $50 (=$25 per year)
> > 4 years = Pay $80 (=$20 per year)
> >
> > Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill Lawless K1UQ
> > Georgetown, MA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel L. Bateman" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 16:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Logic] Buckmaster callbook web site
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > My name is Dan Bateman, I work for Buckmaster Publishing, the
company
> > > that makes the HamCall CD-ROM. As some LOGic users have noticed,
we've
> > > changed our callsign lookup website so the information is no longer
> > > understandable to computer programs. This was originally to keep
> > automated
> > > programs from harvesting information from our website,
> > especially people's
> > > e-mail addresses. It's a known fact that spammers get many of their
> > > addresses to mail to from automated programs that surf the web
> > looking for
> > > e-mail addresses. The HamCall site with it's 160,000+ e-mail
addresses
> > was
> > > a prime target, although we don't believe any significant
> > number have been
> > > harvested due to diligence on our part in watching server
> > activity. We've
> > > also found that automated programs tend to put a large strain on our
> > server
> > > and bandwidth, they're not very polite and do several lookups per
second
> > > for hours or longer. All that doesn't apply to LOGic, but it's part
of
> > why
> > > we changed the way our server returns callsign data.
> > >
> > > Also, thinking of the long-term, even though we enjoy our work on
> > > HamCall and would like to be able to do it for free, it is our means
of
> > > support and we can't afford to give it all away for free. A limited
> > number
> > > of web browser-based lookups is fine to demonstrate the completeness
of
> > our
> > > database, but the enhanced functionality of actually supplying
callsign
> > > data to be parsed into fields and digested into a program is
> > something we
> > > feel we deserve to be paid for.
> > >
> > > So where does this leave LOGic users? The combination of a logging
> > > program and HamCall is a great tool, but we realize that
> > CD-ROMs are to a
> > > certain extent out of date as soon as you receive them, even with
> > HamCall's
> > > ability to download monthly update files. Hundreds or thousands of
> > changes
> > > are made to our database every day. What we would like to propose is
a
> > > Internet-based callsign lookup system where for each lookup the LOGic
> > > program would submit to our server the callsign you want to look up
and
> > > your registered HamCall callsign and password. Our server would then
> > > return the full data for that callsign, right out of the current
master
> > > HamCall database. LOGic could treat these lookups just like
> > lookups from
> > a
> > > CD-ROM, and it could save your login information so you wouldn't have
to
> > > type it in each time.
> > >
> > > A password is included with each HamCall CD-ROM. If you already
have
> > > one your current password would work just fine. Otherwise the
> > HamCall CD
> > > can be had for $50, or as little as $30 if you get one through our
> > > auctions. Both of these come with a password good for 6
> > months. For $80
> > > you can get a CD with a password good for a full year of
> > lookups. In the
> > > future we may offer an Internet-only subscription for a lower
> > price if the
> > > interest is sufficient.
> > >
> > > I realize some people will never pay for what they can manage to
get
> > for
> > > free elsewhere, even if it's not the most accurate or current data.
But
> > we
> > > believe that most people think it's reasonable to pay something for a
> > > useful service. Plus with the expenses of getting a QSL card up to a
> > > dollar or two, good current addresses are important and should be
worth
> > > something. We're interested in everyone's input and comments,
> > and Dennis,
> > > let us know if you're interested in the Internet-based callsign lookup
> > > system. It shouldn't be hard for you or us to implement.
> > >
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > -Dan Bateman
> > > http://hamcall.net
> > >
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