[Logic] Buckmaster callbook web site

Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:27:57 -0500

Why in the world would it decrease the value of Logic?????????????????????

We have only lost access to the Buckmaster web site, not the FCC or QRZ web
sites.

----- Original Message -----
From: "rojomn" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Logic] Buckmaster callbook web site

> I can see the point they make. They really can't afford to make it free. I
> can also see that very few people are gong to pay 80 bucks a year as they
> are not that active. I guess eqsl.cc and LOTW from ARRL are the only
> reasonable alternatives and I think this is what will happen. I knew this
> was too good to last. It also has removed one of Logics most useful
> functions which is going to decrease the value of logic. A perhaps
> unintended but severe consequence.
>
>
> Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron
> 44.08N 92.512835W 1050'
> Hierro Candente, Batir de repente
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> > Behalf Of Daniel L. Bateman
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:16 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Logic] Buckmaster callbook web site
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >    My name is Dan Bateman, I work for Buckmaster Publishing, the company
> > that makes the HamCall CD-ROM.  As some LOGic users have noticed, we've
> > changed our callsign lookup website so the information is no longer
> > understandable to computer programs.  This was originally to keep
> > automated
> > programs from harvesting information from our website, especially
> > people's
> > e-mail addresses.  It's a known fact that spammers get many of their
> > addresses to mail to from automated programs that surf the web
> > looking for
> > e-mail addresses.  The HamCall site with it's 160,000+ e-mail
> > addresses was
> > a prime target, although we don't believe any significant number
> > have been
> > harvested due to diligence on our part in watching server
> > activity.  We've
> > also found that automated programs tend to put a large strain on
> > our server
> > and bandwidth, they're not very polite and do several lookups per second
> > for hours or longer.  All that doesn't apply to LOGic, but it's
> > part of why
> > we changed the way our server returns callsign data.
> >
> >    Also, thinking of the long-term, even though we enjoy our work on
> > HamCall and would like to be able to do it for free, it is our means of
> > support and we can't afford to give it all away for free.  A
> > limited number
> > of web browser-based lookups is fine to demonstrate the
> > completeness of our
> > database, but the enhanced functionality of actually supplying callsign
> > data to be parsed into fields and digested into a program is something
we
> > feel we deserve to be paid for.
> >
> >    So where does this leave LOGic users?  The combination of a logging
> > program and HamCall is a great tool, but we realize that CD-ROMs are to
a
> > certain extent out of date as soon as you receive them, even with
> > HamCall's
> > ability to download monthly update files.  Hundreds or thousands
> > of changes
> > are made to our database every day.  What we would like to propose is a
> > Internet-based callsign lookup system where for each lookup the LOGic
> > program would submit to our server the callsign you want to look up and
> > your registered HamCall callsign and password.  Our server would then
> > return the full data for that callsign, right out of the current master
> > HamCall database.  LOGic could treat these lookups just like
> > lookups from a
> > CD-ROM, and it could save your login information so you wouldn't have to
> > type it in each time.
> >
> >    A password is included with each HamCall CD-ROM.  If you already have
> > one your current password would work just fine.  Otherwise the HamCall
CD
> > can be had for  $50, or as little as $30 if you get one through our
> > auctions.  Both of these come with a password good for 6 months.  For
$80
> > you can get a CD with a password good for a full year of lookups.  In
the
> > future we may offer an Internet-only subscription for a lower
> > price if the
> > interest is sufficient.
> >
> >    I realize some people will never pay for what they can manage
> > to get for
> > free elsewhere, even if it's not the most accurate or current
> > data.  But we
> > believe that most people think it's reasonable to pay something for a
> > useful service.  Plus with the expenses of getting a QSL card up to a
> > dollar or two, good current addresses are important and should be worth
> > something.  We're interested in everyone's input and comments,
> > and Dennis,
> > let us know if you're interested in the Internet-based callsign lookup
> > system.  It shouldn't be hard for you or us to implement.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > -Dan Bateman
> > http://hamcall.net
> >
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