[Laser] Re: street light EME
F1AVYopto at aol.com
F1AVYopto at aol.com
Tue Jul 24 16:25:58 EDT 2007
>Here are some thoughts i had on reflections from the moon.
>The background solar noise from earthshine is maximum at
>new moon and minimum at full moon. As seen from the moon,
>the phase of the earth is opposite that of the moon. So
>that at full moon almost no sunlight is being reflected
>from earth onto the moon - other than what is refracted
>onto it during an eclipse. So it makes sense that the best
>times to try this are when the earth shine noise is the
>least, somewhere between first quarter and last quarter
>phase. As the moon passes first quarter, less and less dark
>area is available and also the more off-center your aim.
>Reflections are coming from increasingly steep angles
>nearing the edge with the increased losses. I would expect
>the strongest reflections to be from near the center of the
>moon. I would also expect the lowest of all noise to be
>during a total lunar eclipse, when there is no earth-shine
>and no direct sunlight near the FOV. But the earth refracts
>a sizable amount of light onto the moon during eclipses -
>being brighter the dirtier the earth's atmosphere. So
>anyway, it's a trade off between several things when trying
>to find the best time to try this.
>Imagine if the moon were a perfect sphere with a mirrored
>surface. When looking at it from earth, you would see a
>reversed image of the earth maybe only 1/20 of a degree
>wide (a rough guess). To see this effect take a look in
>your passenger side rear view mirror - "objects are closer
>than they appear". The FOV required to capture all of this
>area would be quite a bit smaller than the moon itself
>appears in the sky. Most of the reflected energy from earth
>would be in a small area close to the center of the moon's
>face, perhaps only 1/10 of the moon's diameter or about 3
>minutes of arc wide. The moon is not a perfect spherical
>mirror-ball of course and the streetlight radiation and
>other light coming from the earth illuminates the entire
>moon's face. So, the entire moon's surface (the usable dark
>surface anyway) reflects the light back to some degree.
>* as a side note: At radio frequencies the moon appears
>much smoother than at optical wavelengths, and this
>"sphere" effect may be more pronounced. But generally at
>radio frequencies, the beam widths are larger than the moon
>and it may be hard to even notice this effect at all with
>small-ish antennas. Some experienced moonbounce people can
>probably shed some light on that.
>Another thing about reflections from the moon (at optical
>wavelengths) is that the lunar surface has a slight
>retro-reflective property due to it being an "odd"
>non-lambertian reflector. It can be seen in astronaut's
>photographs from the lunar surface, where the camera is
>pointed 180 degrees away from the sun. So the moon, as a
>whole, reflects earth's light back towards earth
>significantly better than you would expect from a surface
>of a given albedo. It is not as cut and dry as you might
>think.
>http://jeff.medkeff.com/astro/lunar/obs_tech/albedo.htm
>Either way, it sounds like another reason to include as
>much of the usable surface as possible in the detector FOV
>in order to capture the maximum energy. A wider FOV lets in
>more noise though of course.
>If it's possible to detect this modulated light at all,
>then i can't help but wonder if one small modulated
>searchlight, well focused and turned toward the moon, could
>outshine a few cities worth of stray light leaking upward
>from their outdoor lighting, most of which is pointing down
>at the ground.
The moon is a poor albedo lambertian reflector viewed on a 0,5° angle from
the Earth.
A lambertian reflector has a reflective efficiency coefficient versus the
cosinus of the incidence angle.
The best area for the aiming could be the Tycho ejectas sector that gives
about a 0,2 albedo on a rather big angle (1 / 20° ?) and stays near the
Earth-Moon axis.
For Europe the best S/N is certainly during the last quarter phase in winter.
In December the aiming from the France can be done in the morning, just
before the daylight and when the moon is at zenith above the USA.
During a moon eclipse the main problem is the photo detector extra shot
noise.
The light background from the moon is red/orange and stays very strong even
with the dielectric filter centred to the sodium spectrum.
In this condition our 24 cm mirror with its 50 cm focal length gives to much
light on the 1 mm² photodiode.
The receiver is near its saturation limit.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/F1AVYopto/opto/03-03-2007PC2.jpg
The light variation film during the 3 march 2007 moon eclipse can be loaded
at :
http://foto.star-shine.ch/data/thumbnails/37/2007-03-03%20-%20Lunar%20Eclipse%
20622x500.gif
As you will notice the background fluctuates strongly with the time but is
always very present.
About the street lights to the sky, I think the earth is also a lambertian
radiator with globally a half sphere radiation angle.
In France the total power use for the streets and the roads lamps is well
over 200 Megawatts !
If the light that goes to the sky is only 1 % of all this power it is 2
Megawatts that goes to the sky !
For the USA the total value is probably very over !
With theses parameters this light detection seems rather easy to succeed.
Climatic situation over the USA East cost and the moon configuration seems
for us the critical parameters.
Another remark about the 100/120 Hz or 300/360Hz choice :
Because the three phase’s network, with a well equilibrated lamps
repartition, the 120 Hz component should not be detectable...
The 360 Hz modulation should be the strongest signal even if its modulation
amplitude is only near 1/3 of the amplitude to the one of a single
lamp.(Overlapping effect)
However in all directions in the sky, even over a far and big city, the
100/120 component stays the strongest detected signal..?
73 F1AVY
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