From JD Delancy" <w1jd@drix.net  Thu Jan  1 02:08:10 2004
From: JD Delancy" <w1jd@drix.net (JD Delancy)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:08:10 -0500
Subject: [KL7AA] How a climbing safety harness can kill you in 15 mins.!
Message-ID: <0cda01c3d00c$1cb5b040$642010ac@w1jd>

Wow, interesting, thanks for sharing Rick

See the URL below..

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rick, K5FNI
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: How a climbing safety harness can kill you in 15 mins.!


This URL was sent by a buddy and fellow ham/electrical engineer, Gene =
Preston, K5GP:
http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500/d000568/d000568.html

It is worth reading and passing along to those who need the information.

Peace of the season,
Rick Herndon, K5FNI
Bastrop TX





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From JimLarsen2002@alaska.net  Fri Jan  2 02:11:44 2004
From: JimLarsen2002@alaska.net (Jim Larsen)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:11:44 -0900
Subject: [KL7AA] The Anchorage Amateur Radio Club will meet Friday evening at 7PM
Message-ID: <3FF4D360.203@alaska.net>

The Anchorage Amateur Radio Club will meet Friday evening at 7PM in the 
Carr-Gottstein Bluilding on the Alaska Pacific University Campus.

The Speaker will be John Bassler, also a ham operator, who will present the 
early days of the CAA & FAA radio systems in the Territory of Alaska.  He was 
involved with all of those systems from days gone by.  John has a reputation 
as a good speaker so I hope you will come to hear his talk.

There will be a business meeting with the following key topics:

*  Vote on repair and maintenance dollars for the Command and Control Vehicle.

*  Vote on Remote Testing Software Contract for VE testing via computer and 
internet.

*  Vote on State Fair/Emergency-Use Tent (10 x 20 foot)

73, Jim
President, AARC
-- 
Jim Larsen, AL7FS
Anchorage, Alaska
http://www.qsl.net/al7fs



From JD Delancy" <w1jd@drix.net  Sun Jan  4 00:31:31 2004
From: JD Delancy" <w1jd@drix.net (JD Delancy)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 19:31:31 -0500
Subject: [KL7AA] State of the hobby/service editorial...
Message-ID: <172201c3d25a$1d66c5b0$642010ac@w1jd>

Interesting thought processes - thanks for sharing Rick

See the URL at the bottom..

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rick K5FNI
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: State of the hobby/service editorial...


An old ham radio buddy from San Angelo (and biology teacher during my =
tenure there) sent this message along. I thought it worth repeating to =
the ham community just a little east of San Angelo. <g>

73,
Rick

Howdy and Happy New Year,

I checked into 7290 traffic net this morning and asked Dan if CQ =
Magazine is still being published. A couple of net members reported that =
they receive the magazine and that it is a good magazine.=20
I looked it up on Google and found the following article in the current =
issue which did a nice job in reporting on the current status of the =
hobby.

I thought it might be of general interest to my ham friends.

Ralph

http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/ZB%20January%202004.html


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From JD Delancy" <w1jd@drix.net  Sun Jan  4 01:26:13 2004
From: JD Delancy" <w1jd@drix.net (JD Delancy)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:26:13 -0500
Subject: [KL7AA] They'll do It Every Time ..
Message-ID: <174801c3d261$c0779930$642010ac@w1jd>

W4GFQ says point the browser at:

http://www.drix.net/k1zat/giggles/hamradio.jpg


From JimLarsen2002@alaska.net  Tue Jan  6 04:16:29 2004
From: JimLarsen2002@alaska.net (Jim Larsen)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:16:29 -0900
Subject: [KL7AA] [Fwd: Alaska computer Society January meeting]
Message-ID: <3FFA369D.3090804@alaska.net>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Alaska computer Society January meeting
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:19:25 -0900
From: Keith and Holly Hawkings <hawkings@gci.net>

Hello Jim,

will you forward this meeting announcement to your members.  Thanks!

What:	 	Alaska Computer Society PC Users Group Monthly Meeting
When:		 January 8th, 2004, 7:00 pm Thursday
Where:		 Carr Gottstein Building on the APU Campus
Subject: 	Office 2003 new features and highlights, by Dawn Scott


Free and open to the public. Door prizes and refreshments.
For further information visit our web site at  http://www.acs-pcug.org  or
contact Dawn at 223-4001.



thank-you
Holly Hawkings,
publicity1@acs-pcug.org
Publicity, ACS




From dan@obarr.net  Thu Jan  8 05:44:52 2004
From: dan@obarr.net (Dan O'Barr)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:44:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [KL7AA] LEO Luncheon January 10th
Message-ID: <20040108054452.18523.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com>

HERE YE, HERE YE, HERE YE.

You are hereby invited to The first of 2004's Great and Honorable LEO
Society's LEO Luncheon, January 10th at 12 noon.
Place: Szechuan Restaurant
       11751 Business Blvd
       Eagle River, AK. 99577
Next to the theater in Eagle River, Alaska

Subjects on the agenda are: Moon Bounce, APRS, and the new OSCAR-E
satellite.  Anyone interested in Amateur Radio, Space Communications,
SETI, or technology in general is welcome.  Good food, good
conversation, and good friends, that's what it's all about.

See you there,
Dan O'Barr, KL7DR
KL7DR@AMSAT.org 
http://gahleos.obarr.net 

PS. If you haven't checked out my new web site yet, please do so
http://gahleos.obarr.net/links.html and let me know if you know of any
other Alaskan Amateur Radio web sites.  Thanks, Dan O

From dan@obarr.net  Sat Jan 10 17:36:31 2004
From: dan@obarr.net (Dan O'Barr)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:36:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [KL7AA] Computer projector
Message-ID: <20040110173631.83273.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com>

CQ CQ CQ,

Does anyone have, or know were they can barrow a computer projector to
bring to the LEO Luncheon today?  If you do, please bring it as we have
at least two presentations that will work better if we could show a
computer display to the whole group.

See You at 12:00 Noon at: 

           Szechuan Restaurant
           11751 Business Blvd
           Eagle River, AK. 99577
Next to the theater in Eagle River, Alaska

We'll be on 147.30 repeater.
Thanks, Dan O

From kl0qw@alaska.net  Tue Jan 13 23:17:07 2004
From: kl0qw@alaska.net (philip mannie)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:17:07 -0900
Subject: [KL7AA] Eagle River Classic Sled Dog Race Jan. 17-18
Message-ID: <40047C73.1080009@alaska.net>

Greetings, All;

We're looking for communications volunteers for the Eagle River Classic 
sprint dog race this weekend at the Beech Lake Trails near Chugiak. 
We'll probably start setting up before Noon and the race starts at 1400 
(2:00PM) both Saturday, 17 Jan 2004 and Sunday, 18 Jan 2004. As an 
Anchorage ARES winter training exercise we'll be deploying a temporary 
repeater on 449.650MHz, minus shift, no tone for the event. We'll be 
outside for the most part, so gear up for winter weather.

If you'd like to play, please call TJ Sheffield, KL7TS (kl7ts@arrl.net) 
at home 248.3864 or at work 265.2409, or call me, Philip Mannie, KL0QW 
(kl0qw@alaska.net) 762 9590 for the details.

73,
phil
KL0QW
762 9590 voice (any time)
276 4218 fax
kl0qw@alaska.net


From JimLarsen2002@alaska.net  Thu Jan 15 02:18:17 2004
From: JimLarsen2002@alaska.net (Jim Larsen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:18:17 -0900
Subject: [KL7AA] Alaska QRP Club meets the Third Friday of every month - 7:00 PM
Message-ID: <4005F869.1060004@alaska.net>

Alaska QRP Club meets the Third Friday of every month - 7:00 PM
(Some show for dinner at 6PM): Hams with QRP (low power under 5 watts)
and Homebrewing interests meet for a social meeting monthly.  Meet at
Dennys (in the back room) on DeBarr near Bragaw.  Contact is Jim Larsen,
AL7FS, JimLarsen2002@alaska.net or 345-3190.

See you Friday.

73, Jim
-- 
Jim Larsen, AL7FS
Anchorage, Alaska
http://www.qsl.net/al7fs



From JimLarsen2002@alaska.net  Sun Jan 25 07:37:25 2004
From: JimLarsen2002@alaska.net (Jim Larsen)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:37:25 -0900
Subject: [KL7AA] A Call for help from NL7DK - record player
Message-ID: <40137235.3090307@alaska.net>

This inquiry just in from Harvey Rookus, NL7DK.  He needs a repair service for 
his record player. If you know of a service or know enough to help him, please 
contact Harvey at <hrookus@alaska.com>

NL7DK:  "We have a rather old 16 - 33 - 78, record player.  Hadn't looked at 
it for years, like 25 +, and when turned on the other day,  the static coming 
forth sounds more like the roar from a lion's cage.  Since Lance Dunbar moved 
to Colorado, I have lost a person to look at such a dinosaur.  Any suggestions?"

Thanks,

73, Jim
-- 
Jim Larsen, AL7FS
Anchorage, Alaska
http://www.qsl.net/al7fs



From aa0nn@arrl.net  Tue Jan 27 00:14:59 2004
From: aa0nn@arrl.net (John Wolfe)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:14:59 -0600
Subject: [KL7AA] FW: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER
Message-ID: <LOBBJEDJDIDFMBANJKEOKEJAEIAA.aa0nn@arrl.net>

Folks,

Some opinions from the deep south.  What do you think?   Perhaps it would be
a good idea to let your section manager know.

73,
John/AA0NN
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert (Bob) Ray [mailto:k5vva@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Robert (Bob) Ray
Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


AREA HAM'S EMAIL LIST

See the below emails for opinions regarding the ARRL's license
recommendations.  I must admit that their recommendations  caught me and
others completely by surprise.  This indicates that the ARRL may be out of
touch with its membership.

The objection that most people have is to the ARRL's recommendation that all
Tech licensees be "given" the General license.  That blows my mind.  I
thought they would recommend combining the Novice and various Tech licenses
into a new beginner class license. The entry level Tech and Novice license
material is/should be much more alike/comparable than the non-entry level
General material.  The ARRL is trying to sell the idea that the Tech
material and General material are alike/comparable, therefore the licenses
can be combined, which is absurd.  They have cheapened the General license
that has always been the foundation of the entire licensing structure.  I
can remember when there wasn't a Tech license, or an Advanced license, or an
Extra license, but I can't remember when there wasn't a General license or a
Novice license.  I also disagree with Joel, the Tech license has been dumbed
down.  Every school that I have attended thought it was cheating if you knew
in advance the questions that would appear on your test.  The "old" study
material did NOT include the questions that would appear on your test;
thereby, requiring that you understand the concepts, theories, formulas,
etc. to solve problems rather than just memorizing the answers.

The problem was the Morse code requirement and the lack of HF privileges at
the entry level..  The ARRL's recommendation has solved a problem that
doesn't exist.  Most people don't object to taking the General written exam.
In fact, in anticipation of a FCC ruling in January eliminating the code
requirement for the General license,  I had about 30 people lined up to
attend a General License class scheduled for February.  Now nobody wants to
take the course because the ARRL is going to "give" them the General License
and you can't blame them.  When given the opportunity to make
recommendations to the FCC, the ARRL did nothing.  Instead, the ARRL has
waited until January (the month that the FCC is to make it's decision on the
code issue) to come up with an entirely different recommendation.

This is unfortunate and not good for ham radio.

Bob, K 5 V V A

----- Original Message -----
From: Floyd Gerald
To: Rick Roderick
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


I know some folks (see below) that are not exactly thrilled with the latest
"decision" made by the ARRL BOD ......
I AM the Messenger.....
So.. if you agree, or do not agree,   do Not shoot at me!
My ARRL Membership expires 1-30-03...so you can tell what I think!

-73-
Floyd
N5FG
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Gardner
To: Doug Epps
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


This is an open reply to Doug's email.  Please read and form your own
opinion.  Mine is set.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Doug,

To heck with it, I am out. No more ARRL.  I have had it.  I have resigned as
ASM and will not renew my membership.  It is time for a new organization
that is for ham radio, not CB !  I am all for starting a grass roots
organization that supports the true meaning of amateur radio.  I will not
support this "money-Hungary" group that is headed up by David Sumner and
Joel Harrison.  They are supposed to support the membership, which I feel if
the members voted, it would be a landslide election in favor of increasing
the regulations to become an amateur operator, not decreasing them.

Anyone out there for forming a new national organization?  Amateur's
definitely need a new voice, because apparently, the ARRL is not
listening.... just doing what the hierarchy wants to do.  To heck with them.

73 de Rob - WJ5K
EX- Assistant ARRL Section Mgr. - MS

I am forwarding this to all my fellow amateurs that are on my mailing list.
I will not support the ARRL until they come to their senses.  If the ARRL
gets this passed, ham radio is NO MORE.  It will be CB City.  10-4 Good
Buddy.



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Doug Epps
  To: Steve KU4IU ; Sam K4SWM ; Rob Gardner WJ5K ; Michael KG4EMV ; Lee
AD5IS ; Joe Clark AA5IL ; Jerry KF4DPF ; Jeff KU4WW ; Jack Ellis KI5QV ;
Hansel KD5DQU ; Joe N4XPZ ; Barney W4HX ; Charles N4OFM ; Danny W4PIG ;
Dennis K4DRA ; Doc KQ4L ; Gerald K4TPC ; Jerry W4RLP ; Jim K4JRS ; Joe W4JSM
; Johnny W4JTH ; Mike KS4WZ ; Milton N4DA ; Phil K4DPK ; Rex ; Rod ; TOM HIX
W4TH ; Tony G. W1YP ; Tony KE4PK ; Tom Ivey KU5V ; Pepper ; Mark WD5GHW ;
Joe KC5Q ; John K5PGW ; George KD4KAW ; Bill KE4LK ; Billy Jones KA5GNM ;
Bobby W4BVQ ; Clem W4MXI ; Clem W4MXI ; Dan W4GQF ; Dr. Cliff K9JTS ; Gene
WB4GB ; Harold Brown ; Jim W4SGH ; Jim W7JRW ; JIM WRIGHT W7JRW ; Ken KI5ZY
; LEW KD4DX ; Mike K5WIM ; Paul N4PC ; Red W4RED ; Terry W5TF ; Wallace
K4QVC ; Wayne W4BE
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:03 PM
  Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: john king
  To: hq@arrl.org
  Cc: kf4cj@farmerstel.com ; roy ezell ; rholling@fcc.gov ; w5zn@arrl.org ;
w5jbp@arrl.org ; k5mc@arrl.org ; w5rz@arrl.org ; w5xx@arrl.org ;
wb4ncw@arrl.org ; nb4k@arrl.org ; w4ozk@arrl.org ; af4o@arrl.org ;
n4jk@cox.net ; anchor@ec.rr.com ; n5amx@juno.com ; almarzia@earthlinl.net ;
km5km@avsia.com ; anp229@charter.net ; DLStichler@aol.com ;
fcreel@surfbest.net
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:30 PM
  Subject: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


  Please go to www.arrl.org and look at the new proposal the ARRL has made
to the FCC to allow no-code  operators on the HF bands. ARRL has recommended
that the doors to the HF bands be opened up with little more than it takes
to get on the so-called Citizen's Band.

  I was an ARRL member for years and had applied for life membership a
number of years ago when at the direction of David Sumner, the ARRL decided
to lower the standards of Amateur Radio and let RIF RAFF from 27 mhz into
Amateur Radio with watered down requirements for license. Everyone knows it
was intended to swell the membership of ARRL, sell more "appliances" so the
Japanese manufacturers would buy more full page adds in the covers of QST.
More revenue from advertising meant more operating money to pay Sumner a
higher salary. David Sumner is an egotistical, self centered, parasite to
our hobby. He has never worked in his life and has lived with his mousy
little bespeckeled pin head in the Amateur Radio Trough. He has never held a
"real job" in "the real world". He is the single most detrimental and
dangerous threat to American Amateur Radio!!!!!!

  I let my application for life membership lapse along with my membership
and subscription to QST because of the position David Sumner and ARRL had
taken to turn the Amateur Radio  bands into "The Good Buddy Society of
Ignorant, Uncouth, Booger Pickin and Crotch Scratchin, Jerks".

  The sad part is that I rejoined the Arrl in November 2003 just in time for
David Sumner to direct "The Directors" of the ARRL to shoot our hobby in the
foot "once again". This is most likey a "Gut Shot" and will probably result
in a slow and agonizing death for Amateur Radio.

  David Sumner can't hide behind the skirt tails of the clodhopper
"directors" because we all know who DIRECTS the DIRECTORS. We know that the
directors are the fall guys of Sumner and that they are all wanna-be
Democrat Politicians who would sell their sister to get the a little
recognition and ego bolstering fantasies of being "leaders of men".

  I am not going to cancel my membership at this time and leave our hobby to
the mercy of David Sumner and the "lacky boy" yes persons who have been
elected to the ARRL by Default. It is time that EVERY officer of the ARRL
down to the SCMs have opposition at the next elections to remove David
Sumner's puppets from all ARRL offices resulting in the removal of Sumner
from the ARRL and hopefully the hobby of Amateur Radio. I ask each of you to
actively recruit men and women with principle to be nominated to run for
every office as election time arises. I will contribute financially to the
campaigns of those who vow to fight to preserve the hobby and return to and
maintain the standards that existed when I was licensed in 1958.

  Please send this email to every Amateur you know who is dedicated to
holding up the standards of our wonderful hobby. Please encourage them to
join the ARRL, qualify to vote, get nominated and lets' take the ARRL back
from those who are in it for personal gain, such as David Sumner, and those
small time ego maniacs who are elected and serve David Sumner.

  Let's send men and women OF PRINCIPLE to Newington!!

  GOD BLESS AMERICA and GOD SAVE AMATEUR RADIO!! But remember, God helps
those who help themselves and provides the strength and ability to do the
job. DO YOUR PART and resolve today to help save our hobby!!  73, John W.
King, K5PGW, Attorney at Law, B.A., CSW., J.D.



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From johnlynn@gci.net  Tue Jan 27 03:18:41 2004
From: johnlynn@gci.net (John E Lynn Jr)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:18:41 -0900
Subject: [KL7AA] RE: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER
Message-ID: <01C3E438.EE806800.johnlynn@gci.net>

It seems to me that if I don't know Morse code, then my character is in 
serious doubt
I am insulted by such a rash and uninformed generalization!

I suspect that these vocal few will go the way of the phonograph and 
8-track, it's kinda sad really...
I respect them and their abilities, I don't begrudge them a CW segment in 
each band.

and by the way, no one should not be allowed to use a computer unless they 
can program in machine code and do hex to decimal conversions in their head 
and read 0-2-9 punch cards by eye and operate their computer from the 
command line prompt

KL7CY, started out at 50KW at 650 KHz, have worked all the way to 16 GHz 
without no stinking HAM license.  I also hold what used to be a First Class 
Radiotelephone license and is now called a "General Class Radiotelephone 
License"


-----Original Message-----
From:	John Wolfe [SMTP:aa0nn@arrl.net]
Sent:	Monday, January 26, 2004 3:15 PM
To:	kl7aa@mailman.qth.net; EARS Club Members
Subject:	[KL7AA] FW: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER

Folks,

Some opinions from the deep south.  What do you think?   Perhaps it would 
be
a good idea to let your section manager know.

73,
John/AA0NN
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert (Bob) Ray [mailto:k5vva@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Robert (Bob) Ray
Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


AREA HAM'S EMAIL LIST

See the below emails for opinions regarding the ARRL's license
recommendations.  I must admit that their recommendations  caught me and
others completely by surprise.  This indicates that the ARRL may be out of
touch with its membership.

The objection that most people have is to the ARRL's recommendation that 
all
Tech licensees be "given" the General license.  That blows my mind.  I
thought they would recommend combining the Novice and various Tech licenses
into a new beginner class license. The entry level Tech and Novice license
material is/should be much more alike/comparable than the non-entry level
General material.  The ARRL is trying to sell the idea that the Tech
material and General material are alike/comparable, therefore the licenses
can be combined, which is absurd.  They have cheapened the General license
that has always been the foundation of the entire licensing structure.  I
can remember when there wasn't a Tech license, or an Advanced license, or 
an
Extra license, but I can't remember when there wasn't a General license or 
a
Novice license.  I also disagree with Joel, the Tech license has been 
dumbed
down.  Every school that I have attended thought it was cheating if you 
knew
in advance the questions that would appear on your test.  The "old" study
material did NOT include the questions that would appear on your test;
thereby, requiring that you understand the concepts, theories, formulas,
etc. to solve problems rather than just memorizing the answers.

The problem was the Morse code requirement and the lack of HF privileges at
the entry level..  The ARRL's recommendation has solved a problem that
doesn't exist.  Most people don't object to taking the General written 
exam.
In fact, in anticipation of a FCC ruling in January eliminating the code
requirement for the General license,  I had about 30 people lined up to
attend a General License class scheduled for February.  Now nobody wants to
take the course because the ARRL is going to "give" them the General 
License
and you can't blame them.  When given the opportunity to make
recommendations to the FCC, the ARRL did nothing.  Instead, the ARRL has
waited until January (the month that the FCC is to make it's decision on 
the
code issue) to come up with an entirely different recommendation.

This is unfortunate and not good for ham radio.

Bob, K 5 V V A

----- Original Message -----
From: Floyd Gerald
To: Rick Roderick
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


I know some folks (see below) that are not exactly thrilled with the latest
"decision" made by the ARRL BOD ......
I AM the Messenger.....
So.. if you agree, or do not agree,   do Not shoot at me!
My ARRL Membership expires 1-30-03...so you can tell what I think!

-73-
Floyd
N5FG
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Gardner
To: Doug Epps
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


This is an open reply to Doug's email.  Please read and form your own
opinion.  Mine is set.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Doug,

To heck with it, I am out. No more ARRL.  I have had it.  I have resigned 
as
ASM and will not renew my membership.  It is time for a new organization
that is for ham radio, not CB !  I am all for starting a grass roots
organization that supports the true meaning of amateur radio.  I will not
support this "money-Hungary" group that is headed up by David Sumner and
Joel Harrison.  They are supposed to support the membership, which I feel 
if
the members voted, it would be a landslide election in favor of increasing
the regulations to become an amateur operator, not decreasing them.

Anyone out there for forming a new national organization?  Amateur's
definitely need a new voice, because apparently, the ARRL is not
listening.... just doing what the hierarchy wants to do.  To heck with 
them.

73 de Rob - WJ5K
EX- Assistant ARRL Section Mgr. - MS

I am forwarding this to all my fellow amateurs that are on my mailing list.
I will not support the ARRL until they come to their senses.  If the ARRL
gets this passed, ham radio is NO MORE.  It will be CB City.  10-4 Good
Buddy.



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Doug Epps
  To: Steve KU4IU ; Sam K4SWM ; Rob Gardner WJ5K ; Michael KG4EMV ; Lee
AD5IS ; Joe Clark AA5IL ; Jerry KF4DPF ; Jeff KU4WW ; Jack Ellis KI5QV ;
Hansel KD5DQU ; Joe N4XPZ ; Barney W4HX ; Charles N4OFM ; Danny W4PIG ;
Dennis K4DRA ; Doc KQ4L ; Gerald K4TPC ; Jerry W4RLP ; Jim K4JRS ; Joe 
W4JSM
; Johnny W4JTH ; Mike KS4WZ ; Milton N4DA ; Phil K4DPK ; Rex ; Rod ; TOM 
HIX
W4TH ; Tony G. W1YP ; Tony KE4PK ; Tom Ivey KU5V ; Pepper ; Mark WD5GHW ;
Joe KC5Q ; John K5PGW ; George KD4KAW ; Bill KE4LK ; Billy Jones KA5GNM ;
Bobby W4BVQ ; Clem W4MXI ; Clem W4MXI ; Dan W4GQF ; Dr. Cliff K9JTS ; Gene
WB4GB ; Harold Brown ; Jim W4SGH ; Jim W7JRW ; JIM WRIGHT W7JRW ; Ken KI5ZY
; LEW KD4DX ; Mike K5WIM ; Paul N4PC ; Red W4RED ; Terry W5TF ; Wallace
K4QVC ; Wayne W4BE
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:03 PM
  Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: john king
  To: hq@arrl.org
  Cc: kf4cj@farmerstel.com ; roy ezell ; rholling@fcc.gov ; w5zn@arrl.org ;
w5jbp@arrl.org ; k5mc@arrl.org ; w5rz@arrl.org ; w5xx@arrl.org ;
wb4ncw@arrl.org ; nb4k@arrl.org ; w4ozk@arrl.org ; af4o@arrl.org ;
n4jk@cox.net ; anchor@ec.rr.com ; n5amx@juno.com ; almarzia@earthlinl.net ;
km5km@avsia.com ; anp229@charter.net ; DLStichler@aol.com ;
fcreel@surfbest.net
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:30 PM
  Subject: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


  Please go to www.arrl.org and look at the new proposal the ARRL has made
to the FCC to allow no-code  operators on the HF bands. ARRL has 
recommended
that the doors to the HF bands be opened up with little more than it takes
to get on the so-called Citizen's Band.

  I was an ARRL member for years and had applied for life membership a
number of years ago when at the direction of David Sumner, the ARRL decided
to lower the standards of Amateur Radio and let RIF RAFF from 27 mhz into
Amateur Radio with watered down requirements for license. Everyone knows it
was intended to swell the membership of ARRL, sell more "appliances" so the
Japanese manufacturers would buy more full page adds in the covers of QST.
More revenue from advertising meant more operating money to pay Sumner a
higher salary. David Sumner is an egotistical, self centered, parasite to
our hobby. He has never worked in his life and has lived with his mousy
little bespeckeled pin head in the Amateur Radio Trough. He has never held 
a
"real job" in "the real world". He is the single most detrimental and
dangerous threat to American Amateur Radio!!!!!!

  I let my application for life membership lapse along with my membership
and subscription to QST because of the position David Sumner and ARRL had
taken to turn the Amateur Radio  bands into "The Good Buddy Society of
Ignorant, Uncouth, Booger Pickin and Crotch Scratchin, Jerks".

  The sad part is that I rejoined the Arrl in November 2003 just in time 
for
David Sumner to direct "The Directors" of the ARRL to shoot our hobby in 
the
foot "once again". This is most likey a "Gut Shot" and will probably result
in a slow and agonizing death for Amateur Radio.

  David Sumner can't hide behind the skirt tails of the clodhopper
"directors" because we all know who DIRECTS the DIRECTORS. We know that the
directors are the fall guys of Sumner and that they are all wanna-be
Democrat Politicians who would sell their sister to get the a little
recognition and ego bolstering fantasies of being "leaders of men".

  I am not going to cancel my membership at this time and leave our hobby 
to
the mercy of David Sumner and the "lacky boy" yes persons who have been
elected to the ARRL by Default. It is time that EVERY officer of the ARRL
down to the SCMs have opposition at the next elections to remove David
Sumner's puppets from all ARRL offices resulting in the removal of Sumner
from the ARRL and hopefully the hobby of Amateur Radio. I ask each of you 
to
actively recruit men and women with principle to be nominated to run for
every office as election time arises. I will contribute financially to the
campaigns of those who vow to fight to preserve the hobby and return to and
maintain the standards that existed when I was licensed in 1958.

  Please send this email to every Amateur you know who is dedicated to
holding up the standards of our wonderful hobby. Please encourage them to
join the ARRL, qualify to vote, get nominated and lets' take the ARRL back
from those who are in it for personal gain, such as David Sumner, and those
small time ego maniacs who are elected and serve David Sumner.

  Let's send men and women OF PRINCIPLE to Newington!!

  GOD BLESS AMERICA and GOD SAVE AMATEUR RADIO!! But remember, God helps
those who help themselves and provides the strength and ability to do the
job. DO YOUR PART and resolve today to help save our hobby!!  73, John W.
King, K5PGW, Attorney at Law, B.A., CSW., J.D.



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From aa0nn@arrl.net  Tue Jan 27 04:47:47 2004
From: aa0nn@arrl.net (John Wolfe)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:47:47 -0600
Subject: FW: [KL7AA] RE: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER
Message-ID: <LOBBJEDJDIDFMBANJKEOAEJEEIAA.aa0nn@arrl.net>

Hi John,

Ray's call is K5 V V A.  A common mistake I think.  Cc to him.

I passed my 20 WPM, but I'm not a big code fanatic.  In fact, I rarely use
it because I prefer voice and digital modes.  If I want to do CW, I have a
machine that can do it for me, hi.

However, I like the idea of hams learning the theory and rules instead of
passing the tests by memorizing the question pool.  Maybe there isn't even a
need for learning the theory anymore in this age of ready-made gear.  I can
only speak for myself when I say that the effort I put forth to take the
tests and learn the code added value to my ham license.


73,
John/AA0NN

-----Original Message-----
From: kl7aa-admin@mailman.qth.net [mailto:kl7aa-admin@mailman.qth.net]On
Behalf Of John E Lynn Jr
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:19 PM
To: David KL7EB Stevens (E-mail); Reflector KL7AA (E-mail)
Cc: 'John Wolfe'; 'k5wa@cableone.net'
Subject: [KL7AA] RE: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


It seems to me that if I don't know Morse code, then my character is in
serious doubt
I am insulted by such a rash and uninformed generalization!

I suspect that these vocal few will go the way of the phonograph and
8-track, it's kinda sad really...
I respect them and their abilities, I don't begrudge them a CW segment in
each band.

and by the way, no one should not be allowed to use a computer unless they
can program in machine code and do hex to decimal conversions in their head
and read 0-2-9 punch cards by eye and operate their computer from the
command line prompt

KL7CY, started out at 50KW at 650 KHz, have worked all the way to 16 GHz
without no stinking HAM license.  I also hold what used to be a First Class
Radiotelephone license and is now called a "General Class Radiotelephone
License"


-----Original Message-----
From:	John Wolfe [SMTP:aa0nn@arrl.net]
Sent:	Monday, January 26, 2004 3:15 PM
To:	kl7aa@mailman.qth.net; EARS Club Members
Subject:	[KL7AA] FW: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER

Folks,

Some opinions from the deep south.  What do you think?   Perhaps it would
be
a good idea to let your section manager know.

73,
John/AA0NN
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert (Bob) Ray [mailto:k5vva@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Robert (Bob) Ray
Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


AREA HAM'S EMAIL LIST

See the below emails for opinions regarding the ARRL's license
recommendations.  I must admit that their recommendations  caught me and
others completely by surprise.  This indicates that the ARRL may be out of
touch with its membership.

The objection that most people have is to the ARRL's recommendation that
all
Tech licensees be "given" the General license.  That blows my mind.  I
thought they would recommend combining the Novice and various Tech licenses
into a new beginner class license. The entry level Tech and Novice license
material is/should be much more alike/comparable than the non-entry level
General material.  The ARRL is trying to sell the idea that the Tech
material and General material are alike/comparable, therefore the licenses
can be combined, which is absurd.  They have cheapened the General license
that has always been the foundation of the entire licensing structure.  I
can remember when there wasn't a Tech license, or an Advanced license, or
an
Extra license, but I can't remember when there wasn't a General license or
a
Novice license.  I also disagree with Joel, the Tech license has been
dumbed
down.  Every school that I have attended thought it was cheating if you
knew
in advance the questions that would appear on your test.  The "old" study
material did NOT include the questions that would appear on your test;
thereby, requiring that you understand the concepts, theories, formulas,
etc. to solve problems rather than just memorizing the answers.

The problem was the Morse code requirement and the lack of HF privileges at
the entry level..  The ARRL's recommendation has solved a problem that
doesn't exist.  Most people don't object to taking the General written
exam.
In fact, in anticipation of a FCC ruling in January eliminating the code
requirement for the General license,  I had about 30 people lined up to
attend a General License class scheduled for February.  Now nobody wants to
take the course because the ARRL is going to "give" them the General
License
and you can't blame them.  When given the opportunity to make
recommendations to the FCC, the ARRL did nothing.  Instead, the ARRL has
waited until January (the month that the FCC is to make it's decision on
the
code issue) to come up with an entirely different recommendation.

This is unfortunate and not good for ham radio.

Bob, K 5 V V A

----- Original Message -----
From: Floyd Gerald
To: Rick Roderick
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


I know some folks (see below) that are not exactly thrilled with the latest
"decision" made by the ARRL BOD ......
I AM the Messenger.....
So.. if you agree, or do not agree,   do Not shoot at me!
My ARRL Membership expires 1-30-03...so you can tell what I think!

-73-
Floyd
N5FG
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Gardner
To: Doug Epps
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


This is an open reply to Doug's email.  Please read and form your own
opinion.  Mine is set.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Doug,

To heck with it, I am out. No more ARRL.  I have had it.  I have resigned
as
ASM and will not renew my membership.  It is time for a new organization
that is for ham radio, not CB !  I am all for starting a grass roots
organization that supports the true meaning of amateur radio.  I will not
support this "money-Hungary" group that is headed up by David Sumner and
Joel Harrison.  They are supposed to support the membership, which I feel
if
the members voted, it would be a landslide election in favor of increasing
the regulations to become an amateur operator, not decreasing them.

Anyone out there for forming a new national organization?  Amateur's
definitely need a new voice, because apparently, the ARRL is not
listening.... just doing what the hierarchy wants to do.  To heck with
them.

73 de Rob - WJ5K
EX- Assistant ARRL Section Mgr. - MS

I am forwarding this to all my fellow amateurs that are on my mailing list.
I will not support the ARRL until they come to their senses.  If the ARRL
gets this passed, ham radio is NO MORE.  It will be CB City.  10-4 Good
Buddy.



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Doug Epps
  To: Steve KU4IU ; Sam K4SWM ; Rob Gardner WJ5K ; Michael KG4EMV ; Lee
AD5IS ; Joe Clark AA5IL ; Jerry KF4DPF ; Jeff KU4WW ; Jack Ellis KI5QV ;
Hansel KD5DQU ; Joe N4XPZ ; Barney W4HX ; Charles N4OFM ; Danny W4PIG ;
Dennis K4DRA ; Doc KQ4L ; Gerald K4TPC ; Jerry W4RLP ; Jim K4JRS ; Joe
W4JSM
; Johnny W4JTH ; Mike KS4WZ ; Milton N4DA ; Phil K4DPK ; Rex ; Rod ; TOM
HIX
W4TH ; Tony G. W1YP ; Tony KE4PK ; Tom Ivey KU5V ; Pepper ; Mark WD5GHW ;
Joe KC5Q ; John K5PGW ; George KD4KAW ; Bill KE4LK ; Billy Jones KA5GNM ;
Bobby W4BVQ ; Clem W4MXI ; Clem W4MXI ; Dan W4GQF ; Dr. Cliff K9JTS ; Gene
WB4GB ; Harold Brown ; Jim W4SGH ; Jim W7JRW ; JIM WRIGHT W7JRW ; Ken KI5ZY
; LEW KD4DX ; Mike K5WIM ; Paul N4PC ; Red W4RED ; Terry W5TF ; Wallace
K4QVC ; Wayne W4BE
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:03 PM
  Subject: Fw: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: john king
  To: hq@arrl.org
  Cc: kf4cj@farmerstel.com ; roy ezell ; rholling@fcc.gov ; w5zn@arrl.org ;
w5jbp@arrl.org ; k5mc@arrl.org ; w5rz@arrl.org ; w5xx@arrl.org ;
wb4ncw@arrl.org ; nb4k@arrl.org ; w4ozk@arrl.org ; af4o@arrl.org ;
n4jk@cox.net ; anchor@ec.rr.com ; n5amx@juno.com ; almarzia@earthlinl.net ;
km5km@avsia.com ; anp229@charter.net ; DLStichler@aol.com ;
fcreel@surfbest.net
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:30 PM
  Subject: DISMAY AND DISGUST WITH ARRL AND DAVID SUMNER


  Please go to www.arrl.org and look at the new proposal the ARRL has made
to the FCC to allow no-code  operators on the HF bands. ARRL has
recommended
that the doors to the HF bands be opened up with little more than it takes
to get on the so-called Citizen's Band.

  I was an ARRL member for years and had applied for life membership a
number of years ago when at the direction of David Sumner, the ARRL decided
to lower the standards of Amateur Radio and let RIF RAFF from 27 mhz into
Amateur Radio with watered down requirements for license. Everyone knows it
was intended to swell the membership of ARRL, sell more "appliances" so the
Japanese manufacturers would buy more full page adds in the covers of QST.
More revenue from advertising meant more operating money to pay Sumner a
higher salary. David Sumner is an egotistical, self centered, parasite to
our hobby. He has never worked in his life and has lived with his mousy
little bespeckeled pin head in the Amateur Radio Trough. He has never held
a
"real job" in "the real world". He is the single most detrimental and
dangerous threat to American Amateur Radio!!!!!!

  I let my application for life membership lapse along with my membership
and subscription to QST because of the position David Sumner and ARRL had
taken to turn the Amateur Radio  bands into "The Good Buddy Society of
Ignorant, Uncouth, Booger Pickin and Crotch Scratchin, Jerks".

  The sad part is that I rejoined the Arrl in November 2003 just in time
for
David Sumner to direct "The Directors" of the ARRL to shoot our hobby in
the
foot "once again". This is most likey a "Gut Shot" and will probably result
in a slow and agonizing death for Amateur Radio.

  David Sumner can't hide behind the skirt tails of the clodhopper
"directors" because we all know who DIRECTS the DIRECTORS. We know that the
directors are the fall guys of Sumner and that they are all wanna-be
Democrat Politicians who would sell their sister to get the a little
recognition and ego bolstering fantasies of being "leaders of men".

  I am not going to cancel my membership at this time and leave our hobby
to
the mercy of David Sumner and the "lacky boy" yes persons who have been
elected to the ARRL by Default. It is time that EVERY officer of the ARRL
down to the SCMs have opposition at the next elections to remove David
Sumner's puppets from all ARRL offices resulting in the removal of Sumner
from the ARRL and hopefully the hobby of Amateur Radio. I ask each of you
to
actively recruit men and women with principle to be nominated to run for
every office as election time arises. I will contribute financially to the
campaigns of those who vow to fight to preserve the hobby and return to and
maintain the standards that existed when I was licensed in 1958.

  Please send this email to every Amateur you know who is dedicated to
holding up the standards of our wonderful hobby. Please encourage them to
join the ARRL, qualify to vote, get nominated and lets' take the ARRL back
from those who are in it for personal gain, such as David Sumner, and those
small time ego maniacs who are elected and serve David Sumner.

  Let's send men and women OF PRINCIPLE to Newington!!

  GOD BLESS AMERICA and GOD SAVE AMATEUR RADIO!! But remember, God helps
those who help themselves and provides the strength and ability to do the
job. DO YOUR PART and resolve today to help save our hobby!!  73, John W.
King, K5PGW, Attorney at Law, B.A., CSW., J.D.



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From dan@obarr.net  Tue Jan 27 07:16:55 2004
From: dan@obarr.net (Dan O'Barr)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:16:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [KL7AA] 9 AM LEO Road and Weather Group has moved
Message-ID: <20040127071655.5167.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com>

To all AARC members,

Do to the politics, lack of coverage, and interference of the 147.30/90
KL7ION repeater, the 9 AM LEO Road and Weather Group has moved to the
147.27/87 WL7CVG Mt. Susitna repeater with a + split and 103.5 Hz tone.
Remember to check your tone encode and make sure it is set to 103.5 Hz
as that is the only tone the 147.27 WL7CVG repeater will now accept. 
If you hear someone on the 90/30 machine, on weekdays between 9 and
10am, looking for the ole gang that likes to solve all your problems,
(It's a MAN thing) kindly inform them the 9am LEO Road and Weather
Group is now hanging out on the 147.27. 

Thank you,
The Gahleo Group Moderator
Dan O'Barr, KL7DR
P.O. Box 873981
Wasilla, AK 99687
Home (907) 373-2569
Work/Cell (907) 841-0500
Fax (907) 357-3577
dan@obarr.net 
KL7DR@ARRL.net 
KL7DR@AMSAT.org
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