[Kenwood] [Fwd: Fw: Help save CW]

Sat Aug 6 14:09:11 EDT 2005

The crackpots and rude operator I hear on 80 meters and not recent 
hams, they brag about being hams for 40 to 50 years, and their 5 KW linears.

At 01:02 PM 8/6/2005, John Geiger wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ray Friess" <rayfri at highstream.net>
>If someone lacks enough discipline to learn 5 wpm and just wants to be
>able to punch the mic button whenever and wherever he wants .... THATS
>WHY THE FCC GAVE UP THE CB CHANNELS..
>SO YOU CAN DO THAT ...     WHATEVER CHANNEL AND WHENEVER YOU WANT.
>And, you see the amount of DISCIPLINE that exists there....
>
>NO, THAT IS WHY THE ARRL AND THE FCC GAVE US THE CODELESS TECHNICIAN LICENSE
>STARTING IN 1991
>
>
>
>
>waldan at cox.net wrote:
>
> >What is the majic with code that makes someone a better person? Why the
>code? CW is a mode of operation lake any other. why not make some bring in a
>laptop and demonstrait PSK31? It is a mode of operation like CW. I don't
>think being able to learn CW makes you a better person or a better operator
>if so there would be none of the nut jobs operating on 75/80 meters like AM
>CB chicken banders. Have you ever listened there and herd some of the
>ranting and cusing? Most of these operators learned CW back when it was hard
>at the 13wpm rate or higher. They should be better than us 5wpm operators
>and they act like they are on 11 meters. Look at me. I am an extra class
>that passed the coed test with flying colors and I am still accused of being
>to stupid to know how to spell and type good enough for the group.
>appearently learning CW didn't make me good enough for some in the group why
>would it make anyone else? And like you said if Code is so simple that any
>Boy Scout cam learn it the
> > n why is it thought of as such a reveared as this all mighty force to keep
>ham radio more smarter and keep out the dummies?
> >
> >Wally
> >KD5ZJP
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Ray Friess <rayfri at highstream.net>
> >>Date: 2005/08/06 Sat AM 10:57:33 EDT
> >>To: waldan at cox.net
> >>CC: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> >>Subject: Re: [Kenwood] [Fwd: Fw: Help save CW]
> >>
> >>Wally...
> >>NO ..  youre wrong!!  The CW requirement is what "separates the men from
> >>the boys" and helps a little bit to keep the "idiots" from overrunning
> >>the bands like they have the CB channels.
> >>
> >>It show you are serious about becoming a ham, and if any boy scout can
> >>learn FIVE words a minute to get a scouting merit badge, I fail to see
> >>what all the gut wrenching screaming and crying  from many supposedly
> >>grown and intelligent men is about when it comes to having to do the
> >>same thing.
> >>Youve heard since you were a kid, probably, that nything worth having is
> >>worth working for.... the same thing applies to a ham license.
> >>
> >>Would you be among those advocating that in order to have more doctors
> >>and pilots, etc so that we can "enter the 20th century" we should lessen
> >>requirements for them being licensed.  True, ham radio doesnt often
> >>effect life and death like those professions... but the principal is the
> >>same.   It takes a long time to get a doctors appointment and help, so
> >>lets enlarge our group of doctors by making it easier....  say, by
> >>cutting down their intern time or residency to say... maybe 6 months
> >>instead of years.    We'll have more doctors faster then....
> >>
> >>I'd like to fly a plane, but dont have the money to take classes.  SO,
> >>how about just letting me learn what I want and just enough to be able
> >>to fly and then HECK with the license test.  Just let me go rent or buy
> >>a plane and fly when I THINK I AM READY.  Let ME decide what I need to
> >>learn and is useful.
> >>To me, that's the same kind of mentality being shown by those who say
> >>"do away with Morse Code.  It's outmoded, it's too hard to learn and
> >>makes it too hard to get a license."
> >>
> >>Personally, I think it is sometimes too hard to parallel park a car.  I
> >>can drive and find places to park without having to park that way so
> >>let's eliminate that from the written or driving part of the test.  If
> >>it is too stupid to have to know the distance we should park from a stop
> >>sign then lets forget it and take that out of the test too.....
> >>
> >>Now, you may not EVER use code after you get your license, but that is
> >>not the point.  Some doctors never operate after their surgery rotation,
> >>but they become pediatricians treating only kids.  I dont hear my
> >>grandkids pediatricians bitching about having to do a surgery or psych
> >>rotation that they never make use of.
> >>
> >>Bottom line is ...  now days EVERY time people find things a little
> >>difficult to do, or they just dont want to do it,  their hue and cry
> >>seems to be "ELIMINATE IT" under the guise of coming into the 20th
> >>century type of thinking, "ensuring the survival" of whatever it is, and
> >>just plain making it easier.    Instead, we should be saying "GET OFF
> >>YOUR BUTT AND WORK AND THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE".
> >>I was a teenager when I learned the code.  Code was easier for me than
> >>the theory was, even though it took lots of practice.  BUT, I learned
> >>both and passed the test, and now have been a ham for over 35 years.
> >>
> >>All this bellyaching about the code being hard and not needed fits very
> >>well under Shakespear's "The sound, the fury ... signifying NOTHING"
> >>
> >>Ray  WA7ITZ
> >>
> >>waldan at cox.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>But, I don't want them to retain the CW requirement. The CW requirement
>is the mail thing keeping ham radio from entering the 20th century.
> >>>
> >>>Wally
> >>>KD5ZJP
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: <k3hx at verizon.net>
> >>>>Date: 2005/08/06 Sat AM 08:21:48 EDT
> >>>>To: icom at mailman.qth.net
> >>>>CC: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> >>>>Subject: [Kenwood] [Fwd: Fw: Help save CW]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Subject: Fw: Help save CW
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Please submit a comment to the FCC asking them toretain the Morse Code
>requirement.  It's easy. Go to: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfsClick on "Submit
>A Filing"The Proceeding Number is 05-235 (include the -)Just fill in the
>blanks and type in your comment. Thanks, John Getz, AD8J
> >>>>John's Travel and Cruises
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