[Kenwood] Re: Kenwood Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
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> 1. Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL (Chuck Adkins)
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> 3. Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL (Paul Manuel)
> 4. Freedom and BPL (Lloyd KK7IZ)
> 5. Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL (W4AWM at aol.com)
> 6. Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL (n3drk)
> 7. Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL (n3drk)
> 8. RE: FW: [Kenwood] BPL (Jay Eimer)
> 9. RE: Freedom and BPL (Jay Eimer)
> 10. Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL (Alan Wolke)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:51:05 -0400
> From: Chuck Adkins <k8cpachuck at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: Daniel Seagraves <dseagrav at sakura.lunar-tokyo.net>
> Cc: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <740f0e2041015085161c208ea at mail.gmail.com>
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> I got a better idea, 357. Magnum with heavy load... fix that BPL
> problem good. :)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:30:22 -0500 (CDT), Daniel Seagraves
> <dseagrav at sakura.lunar-tokyo.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Mort Arditti wrote:
>>
>> > Here is a thought. Use maximum legal CW power, use a directional
>> > antenna and aim at the power lines. If the lines are close, it is
>> > better.
>> > Will this cause interference to BPL? I don't know.
>> > If the BPL supporters do not care about us, why should we care about
>> > them. Besides, it could be fun.
>>
>> We can't cause deliberate interference. If the FCC finds out, you'll lose
>> your ticket, and you can bet the BPL users will gripe about you whether
>> you interfere with them or not.
>>
>> The only way we're going to continue to use HF as we do now is to come up
>> with some whiz-bang error correction that can get a signal through S9+30
>> of noise. The war is over, we lost, we have to deal with this. We can't
>> just keep doing what we've always done and expect things to never change.
>> It's just like the restrictions and changes made to pilots after 9-11.
>> They have had to put up with major changes - They used to be able to
>> cruize around and just look at the scenery without a "reason" to fly.
>> They
>> used to be able to invite kids up to the flight deck if they wanted to.
>> Times have changed, and the past is gone forever. It doesn't matter if
>> the
>> change is for the better or not, we have to deal with it... or die.
>>
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> --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:12:56 -0700
> From: "Mort Arditti" <marditti at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: "Chuck Adkins" <k8cpachuck at gmail.com>, "Daniel Seagraves"
> <dseagrav at sakura.lunar-tokyo.net>
> Cc: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
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> Second the motion. Practice your sharp shooting
> and don't get caught.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Adkins" <k8cpachuck at gmail.com>
> To: "Daniel Seagraves" <dseagrav at sakura.lunar-tokyo.net>
> Cc: "Mort Arditti" <marditti at dslextreme.com>; <kenwood at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
>
>
>> I got a better idea, 357. Magnum with heavy load... fix that BPL
>> problem good. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:30:22 -0500 (CDT), Daniel Seagraves
>> <dseagrav at sakura.lunar-tokyo.net> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Mort Arditti wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here is a thought. Use maximum legal CW power, use a directional
>> > > antenna and aim at the power lines. If the lines are close, it is
> better.
>> > > Will this cause interference to BPL? I don't know.
>> > > If the BPL supporters do not care about us, why should we care about
>> > > them. Besides, it could be fun.
>> >
>> > We can't cause deliberate interference. If the FCC finds out, you'll
> lose
>> > your ticket, and you can bet the BPL users will gripe about you whether
>> > you interfere with them or not.
>> >
>> > The only way we're going to continue to use HF as we do now is to come
> up
>> > with some whiz-bang error correction that can get a signal through
>> > S9+30
>> > of noise. The war is over, we lost, we have to deal with this. We can't
>> > just keep doing what we've always done and expect things to never
> change.
>> > It's just like the restrictions and changes made to pilots after 9-11.
>> > They have had to put up with major changes - They used to be able to
>> > cruize around and just look at the scenery without a "reason" to fly.
> They
>> > used to be able to invite kids up to the flight deck if they wanted to.
>> > Times have changed, and the past is gone forever. It doesn't matter if
> the
>> > change is for the better or not, we have to deal with it... or die.
>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Chuck Adkins K8CPA
>> E-mail:k8cpachuck at comcast.net
>> Personal Web Site:
>> http://k8cpachuck.home.comcast.net
>> Business Site:
>> http://www.axiscomputerrepair.cjb.net/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Manuel <k4pdm at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20041015171603.92604.qmail at web52301.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> --- n3drk <n3drk at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> Yeah Right. If BPL is interfering with ham radio reception and we are
>> receiving s9 signals from it do you think the majority of hams are going
>> to
>> be concerned with neighborly relations? Ed Hare has been pushing this
>> statement about the neighborly relations and you all are buying it.
>
> Hold on a minute. I think that if we are not concerned about neighborly
> relations then ham radio will probably be legislated out of existance.
>
> If ham radio had not been concerned about neighborly relations when TV
> came along, and cooperated in finding a way to co-exist, we would not have
> ham radio today.
>
> This does not mean rolling over and playing dead. It means that we are on
> the threshold of a very complex problem that cannot be solved with simple
> bully tactics.
>
> I have not read Ed Hare's comments in the last year or so, so I cannot
> really comment there. And yes, I know this is off-topic, so I won't
> comment any more on this thread.
> 73,
> Paul K4PDM
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:27:30 -0700
> From: "Lloyd KK7IZ" <kk7iz at cox.net>
> Subject: [Kenwood] Freedom and BPL
> To: <Kenwood at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <002001c4b2dc$3f92a1a0$63780244 at userlvnwsus9dr>
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> Banana Republics are looking more democratic every day.
> Thanx
> Lloyd KK7IZ
> kk7iz at cox.net
> Visit my NEW web site
> www.lloydsdipsydumpster.com
> And my NEW NEW web site
> www.antiqueradioarchives.com
> Collecting OLD civilian aircraft radios and literature
> Particularly Lear. Got anything?
> Some boatanchors got wings
> Lloyd Godsey KK7IZ
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:15:13 EDT
> From: W4AWM at aol.com
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: marditti at dslextreme.com
> Cc: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <127.4d3a708c.2ea16db1 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Look Guys (and Gals),
> All this talk is very impressive but the way to go about it is to flood
> your
> congressman and senators with letters and emails pointing out the benefits
> of
> amateur radio to the public and stating the negative effect that BPL will
> have
> to the hobby. There are many things to mention about this and I think
> individual thoughts respectfully stated will do more good than form
> letters. Don't
> forget to cc the White House and FCC.
>
> 73 and get to writing,
>
> John, W4AWM
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:52:50 -0400
> From: "n3drk" <n3drk at triad.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: <k4pdm at yahoo.com>, <kenwood at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <000a01c4b2f8$ef608450$6400a8c0 at n3drk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>> Hold on a minute. I think that if we are not concerned about neighborly
>> relations then ham radio will probably be legislated out of existance.
>
>
> That argument sounds like a ham friend of mine who took him to court
> because he felt the radiation of his 5 ele monobander was giving his
> daughter headaches while she slept in her bedroom. He also claimed
> to the judge his daughter may get brain cancer due to this radiation.
> The judge ruled in favor of my ham friend. So there will always be
> neighbors like this and the judge did not legislate this out of existance.
>
>> If ham radio had not been concerned about neighborly relations when TV
>> came along, and cooperated in finding a way to co-exist, we would not
>> have
>> ham radio today.
>
> You cannot compare the case of TV 50 years ago with the BPL of today.
> It is like comparing apples to oranges. Hams back then took steps to
> prevent radiation to their neighbors televisions. I dont see the power
> companies doing anything to prevent interference to the ham radio
> stations. In fact they totally disregard the ham operators. Also if
> Mr. and Mrs. Jones next door to you has BPL and your transmitter
> is causing interference to them, what are you going to do Paul?
> Turn your beam to a direction away from the power lines? Cut your
> power down and risk not making a dx contact? Or will you call
> Mr. and Mrs. Jones and explain to them that you are operating
> your station in full compliance with the FCC Rules and explain
> to them the disadvantages of BPL? Or maybe you will shut
> your station down so as not to cause interference to the Jones's
> and go watch reality shows with your loved one?
>
>> This does not mean rolling over and playing dead. It means that we are on
>> the threshold of a very complex problem that cannot be solved with simple
>> bully tactics.
>
> BULLY TACTICS! Who? The Ham Operator? You must mean the
> power companies. The power companies are the ones playing Bully
> and throwing their corporate weight around.
>
> 73's
> john-n3drk
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:58:17 -0400
> From: "n3drk" <n3drk at triad.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: <W4AWM at aol.com>, <marditti at dslextreme.com>
> Cc: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <001701c4b2f9$b3a9b160$6400a8c0 at n3drk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
>> Look Guys (and Gals),
>> All this talk is very impressive but the way to go about it is to flood
> your
>> congressman and senators with letters and emails pointing out the
>> benefits
> of
>> amateur radio to the public and stating the negative effect that BPL will
> have
>> to the hobby. There are many things to mention about this and I think
>> individual thoughts respectfully stated will do more good than form
> letters. Don't
>> forget to cc the White House and FCC.
>>
>> 73 and get to writing,
>>
>> John, W4AWM
>
> Sorry John but those letters were mailed out about 2 years ago.
> What did your congressman or senator say? Did you get
> one of those form letters like we all did? The ARRL
> met with congressman and senators. There is even
> two congressman in Washington who are Hams and
> I dont see them getting anything going.
>
> John the ARRL said it a few months ago when they stated
> the did not realize how much politics is playing in the
> BPL issue. It all boils down to THE CAPITALISTS.
>
> 73's
> john-n3drk
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:14:09 -0500
> From: "Jay Eimer" <ad5pe at familynet.net>
> Subject: RE: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: <kenwood at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <000101c4b336$9755b940$32e6c241 at allllc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> That's right. The story fed to the public is (1) with DSL you have to
> live close to the switching center. (2) with cable they have to run the
> coax, which is expensive. (3) with wireless you have to buy (or worse,
> rent!) a radio receiver, and put up a (heard this one before?) big, ugly
> antenna. But (4) the power lines already come right to your house!
> Isn't that neat!
>
> But they skip the amps, repeaters, bypasses over step-down transformers
> (all MORE expensive than the other options, BTW) and then claim it's
> CHEAPER? Sorry, economically BPL only makes sense in relatively dense
> areas (NOT a rural solution) and then only if it is subsidized by the
> electricity ratepayers.
>
> FYI, that subsidy is illegal in many states, regulated in others by
> their corporation or public utility commissions. Where it's not, it is
> something the shareholders might like to "know about".
>
> And finally, if we can "hear" BPL, what makes you think the hackers
> can't - it is about as secure as an HF transmission during good
> propagation conditions (1/2 the world can hear every word you type).
>
> Fight this one through the utility regulators (illegal and or unjust
> subsidy - making inner city poor pay for suburban rich folks broadband)
> and through privacy rights groups.
>
> And of course, tell your congresscritters this. Frequently.
> If they're Democrats, they'll love to go after a "shady corporation".
> If they're Republicans, they'll love to go after "corrupt regulators".
> Either way, your voice carries more weight.
>
> Jay
> AD5PE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Swiderski
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 07:33
> To: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
>
>
> You would think they would be more interested in looking into
> wirless access. Using the power lines just seems to me like antiquated
> technology. But it sounds good to the masses. Guess that's why I'll
> never make it in politics. I make to much sense.
>
> Ed KU4BP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael E. Rees" <docmickey at outdrs.net>
> To: <bcarling at cfl.rr.com>; <kenwood at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:00 AM
> Subject: RE: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
>
>
> That isn't all. Yesterday John Kerry was here in Las Vegas for the AARP
> convention. When asked about BPL, John Kerry said he is in favor of
> BPL. He just said he supports BPL as a means of getting the internet to
> rural areas so kids can have a better education and wants to push its
> installation and use. The point is he wants to push BPL.
>
> KD7CVJ
> Mike
>
> HMC(SW)
> USN Retired
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Carling
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:07 AM
> To: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
>
> BPL is NOT the greatest threat to HF radio for hams
> at present. WINLINK is a far greater threat, and ARRL is endorsing it.
>
> Wait until one of these unattended high power digital
> pests starts interfering with your QSO and you will understand.
>
> On 15 Oct 2004 at 2:30, Daniel Seagraves wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Mort Arditti wrote:
>>
>> > Here is a thought. Use maximum legal CW power, use a directional
>> > antenna and aim at the power lines. If the lines are close, it is
> better.
>> > Will this cause interference to BPL? I don't know.
>> > If the BPL supporters do not care about us, why should we care about
>
>> > them. Besides, it could be fun.
>>
>> We can't cause deliberate interference. If the FCC finds out, you'll
>> lose your ticket, and you can bet the BPL users will gripe about you
>> whether you interfere with them or not.
>>
>> The only way we're going to continue to use HF as we do now is to come
>
>> up with some whiz-bang error correction that can get a signal through
>> S9+30 of noise. The war is over, we lost, we have to deal with this.
>> We can't just keep doing what we've always done and expect things to
>> never change. It's just like the restrictions and changes made to
>> pilots after 9-11. They have had to put up with major changes - They
>> used to be able to cruize around and just look at the scenery without
>> a "reason" to fly. They used to be able to invite kids up to the
>> flight deck if they wanted to. Times have changed, and the past is
>> gone forever. It doesn't matter if the change is for the better or
>> not, we have to deal with it... or die.
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:30:33 -0500
> From: "Jay Eimer" <ad5pe at familynet.net>
> Subject: RE: [Kenwood] Freedom and BPL
> To: <Kenwood at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <000801c4b338$e5de2d20$32e6c241 at allllc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> We don't live in a democracy, we live in a Republic. Write your
> congressman. See my earlier posts for "talking points".
>
> And write the utility regulators. Make sure they aren't padding your
> electric bill to pay for broadband to some rich schmuck's "country
> estate".
>
> Jay
> AD5PE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lloyd KK7IZ
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:28
> To: Kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Kenwood] Freedom and BPL
>
>
> Banana Republics are looking more democratic every day.
> Thanx
> Lloyd KK7IZ
> kk7iz at cox.net
> Visit my NEW web site
> www.lloydsdipsydumpster.com
> And my NEW NEW web site
> www.antiqueradioarchives.com
> Collecting OLD civilian aircraft radios and literature Particularly
> Lear. Got anything? Some boatanchors got wings Lloyd Godsey KK7IZ 1315
> N. Udall Circle Mesa, Az. 85203 480-620-7145 (cell)
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:54:55 -0400
> From: Alan Wolke <w2aew at arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
> To: Jay Eimer <ad5pe at familynet.net>
> Cc: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4170A99E.C86ADAFB at arrl.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I agree with Jay.
>
> The benefits touted to the naive talk about it bringing broadband to
> everyone with a power line. However, the realities of getting it there
> mean
> that it actually costs more to get out to the rural areas than other
> services. The only place where the ecomonics are reasonable due to
> repeaters, etc. are in populated areas - where cable and DSL are already
> generally available. Because of this - I think that BPL will die of its
> own
> short-comings.
>
> BPL is the Y2K issue of 2004/5. All of the consultants that made a TON of
> money hyping up the Y2K problems have all now run out of money, and are
> finding new employment hyping up BPL to local community councils. When
> these rascals come to town, we just need to stand strong, and present good
> scientific information (like below), along with the known interference
> issues to public service, safety, business and amateur communications.
>
>
> Jay Eimer wrote:
>
>> That's right. The story fed to the public is (1) with DSL you have to
>> live close to the switching center. (2) with cable they have to run the
>> coax, which is expensive. (3) with wireless you have to buy (or worse,
>> rent!) a radio receiver, and put up a (heard this one before?) big, ugly
>> antenna. But (4) the power lines already come right to your house!
>> Isn't that neat!
>>
>> But they skip the amps, repeaters, bypasses over step-down transformers
>> (all MORE expensive than the other options, BTW) and then claim it's
>> CHEAPER? Sorry, economically BPL only makes sense in relatively dense
>> areas (NOT a rural solution) and then only if it is subsidized by the
>> electricity ratepayers.
>>
>> FYI, that subsidy is illegal in many states, regulated in others by
>> their corporation or public utility commissions. Where it's not, it is
>> something the shareholders might like to "know about".
>>
>> And finally, if we can "hear" BPL, what makes you think the hackers
>> can't - it is about as secure as an HF transmission during good
>> propagation conditions (1/2 the world can hear every word you type).
>>
>> Fight this one through the utility regulators (illegal and or unjust
>> subsidy - making inner city poor pay for suburban rich folks broadband)
>> and through privacy rights groups.
>>
>> And of course, tell your congresscritters this. Frequently.
>> If they're Democrats, they'll love to go after a "shady corporation".
>> If they're Republicans, they'll love to go after "corrupt regulators".
>> Either way, your voice carries more weight.
>>
>> Jay
>> AD5PE
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Swiderski
>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 07:33
>> To: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
>>
>> You would think they would be more interested in looking into
>> wirless access. Using the power lines just seems to me like antiquated
>> technology. But it sounds good to the masses. Guess that's why I'll
>> never make it in politics. I make to much sense.
>>
>> Ed KU4BP
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael E. Rees" <docmickey at outdrs.net>
>> To: <bcarling at cfl.rr.com>; <kenwood at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:00 AM
>> Subject: RE: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
>>
>> That isn't all. Yesterday John Kerry was here in Las Vegas for the AARP
>> convention. When asked about BPL, John Kerry said he is in favor of
>> BPL. He just said he supports BPL as a means of getting the internet to
>> rural areas so kids can have a better education and wants to push its
>> installation and use. The point is he wants to push BPL.
>>
>> KD7CVJ
>> Mike
>>
>> HMC(SW)
>> USN Retired
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:kenwood-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Carling
>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:07 AM
>> To: kenwood at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: FW: [Kenwood] BPL
>>
>> BPL is NOT the greatest threat to HF radio for hams
>> at present. WINLINK is a far greater threat, and ARRL is endorsing it.
>>
>> Wait until one of these unattended high power digital
>> pests starts interfering with your QSO and you will understand.
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2004 at 2:30, Daniel Seagraves wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Mort Arditti wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here is a thought. Use maximum legal CW power, use a directional
>> > > antenna and aim at the power lines. If the lines are close, it is
>> better.
>> > > Will this cause interference to BPL? I don't know.
>> > > If the BPL supporters do not care about us, why should we care about
>>
>> > > them. Besides, it could be fun.
>> >
>> > We can't cause deliberate interference. If the FCC finds out, you'll
>> > lose your ticket, and you can bet the BPL users will gripe about you
>> > whether you interfere with them or not.
>> >
>> > The only way we're going to continue to use HF as we do now is to come
>>
>> > up with some whiz-bang error correction that can get a signal through
>> > S9+30 of noise. The war is over, we lost, we have to deal with this.
>> > We can't just keep doing what we've always done and expect things to
>> > never change. It's just like the restrictions and changes made to
>> > pilots after 9-11. They have had to put up with major changes - They
>> > used to be able to cruize around and just look at the scenery without
>> > a "reason" to fly. They used to be able to invite kids up to the
>> > flight deck if they wanted to. Times have changed, and the past is
>> > gone forever. It doesn't matter if the change is for the better or
>> > not, we have to deal with it... or die.
>> >
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